Talk:Gender neutrality in languages with gendered third-person pronouns

This article is part of WikiProject Gender studies. This WikiProject aims to improve the quality of articles dealing with gender studies and to remove systematic gender bias from Wikipedia. If you would like to participate in the project, you can choose to edit this article, or visit the project page for more information.Gender studiesWikipedia:WikiProject Gender studiesTemplate:WikiProject Gender studiesGender studies articles

???

This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.

To-do list:

Here are some tasks awaiting attention:

Assess : see Unassessed Gender studies articles and Unknown-importance Gender studies articles
Cleanup : edit to see
Collaborate : see /Collaboration
Copyedit : edit to see
Deletion sorting : see /Sexuality and gender
Expand : edit to see
Infobox : see Gender studies articles needing infoboxes
Merge : edit to see
Notability : edit to see
NPOV : edit to see
Orphans : Brannon Masculinity Scale · Holy Virility · Media and gender · Michael Kaufman (author) · Women's education in Saudi Arabia
Photo : see Wikipedia requested photographs of gender studies
Split : History of feminism
Stubs : see Gender studies stubs
Translate : see /translation
Update : edit to see
Verify : Riot grrrl
Needs attention : see Gender studies articles needing attention

Languages

	Language portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Languages, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of languages on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.LanguagesWikipedia:WikiProject LanguagesTemplate:WikiProject Languageslanguage articles
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.

Linguistics: Theoretical Linguistics High‑importance

	Linguistics portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Linguistics, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of linguistics on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.LinguisticsWikipedia:WikiProject LinguisticsTemplate:WikiProject LinguisticsLinguistics articles
High	This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale.
	This article is supported by Theoretical Linguistics Task Force.

LGBTQ+ studies

This article is of interest to WikiProject LGBTQ+ studies, which tries to ensure comprehensive and factual coverage of all LGBTQ-related issues on Wikipedia. For more information, or to get involved, please visit the project page or contribute to the discussion.LGBTQ+ studiesWikipedia:WikiProject LGBTQ+ studiesTemplate:WikiProject LGBTQ+ studiesLGBTQ+ studies articles

Archives

1, 2, 3

This page has archives. Sections older than 90 days may be automatically archived by when more than 5 sections are present.

Section sizes

Section size for Gender neutrality in languages with gendered third-person pronouns (37 sections)
Section name	Byte count	Section total
(Top)	2,357	2,357
Overview of grammar patterns in languages	48	8,939
No gender distinctions in personal pronouns	2,278	2,278
Grammatical gender	2,357	2,357
Gender distinctions only in third-person pronouns	1,692	1,692
Issues concerning gender and pronoun usage	2,564	2,564
Gender-neutral pronouns in modern standard English	11,540	72,977
Singular they as a gender-neutral pronoun	6,298	15,399
Antecedents for singular they	3,710	3,710
Speaker variation	5,391	5,391
Reference to males and females	40	16,507
Generic he	9,318	9,318
He or she, (s)he	6,803	6,803
Alternation of she and he	346	346
It as a gender-neutral pronoun	2,188	5,776
For human children	2,929	2,929
For non-human animals	659	659
One as a gender-neutral pronoun	616	616
Historical, regional, and proposed gender-neutral singular pronouns	10,278	10,278
Table of standard and non-standard third-person singular pronouns	12,861	12,861
Emergence of gender-neutral pronouns in languages with grammatical gender	216	13,181
French iel	2,573	2,573
Polish onu and ono	2,683	2,683
Swedish hen	5,088	5,088
Norwegian hen	2,621	2,621
Emergence of gendered pronouns in languages without grammatical gender	76	13,637
Mandarin	63	9,910
Lack of gender contrasts in spoken language	3,126	3,126
Emergence of gender contrasts via orthography	6,721	6,721
Japanese	59	3,651
Emergence of gendered third-person forms	2,183	2,183
Emergence of gendered first-person forms	1,409	1,409
See also	264	490
Specific languages	226	226
Notes	23	23
Further reading	236	236
External links	2,038	2,038
Total	113,878	113,878

Tip: Anchors are case-sensitive in most browsers.

This article links to one or more target anchors that no longer exist.

[[Wife#Summary/Etymology|wife]] The anchor (#Summary/Etymology) has been deleted by other users before.

Please help fix the broken anchors. You can remove this template after fixing the problems. | Reporting errors

A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion

The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:

The cult of Hong Kong English - He as a gender-neutral pronoun.jpg

Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. —Community Tech bot (talk) 12:37, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Second option for gender-neutral pronouns in Polish

There is another option for non-binary people who prefer gender-neutral pronouns in Polish language aside from "onu". It's quite similar - it's "ono" which is also used for kids of unknown gender. It's conjugation is: Ono, onego, onemu, ono, onym, onym.

I just thought I'd add this info because I use this set of pronouns myself and I know many people who also do. I.M.BatCat (talk) 23:19, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Polish onu gaining popularity"

I deleted the sentence about "onu" gaining popularity. Zaimki.pl is a website that propagates using pronouns like "onu" so it's biased, therefore lacks NPOV.

"Onu" and zaimki.pl also lacks notability, for example, there is no articles about "onu" or zaimki.pl (or even "dukaizmy") in Polish Wikipedia, which is telling something by itself. In English Wikipedia, in article about "onu", you can also find a template telling reader that it is not meeting Wikipedia's general notability guideline.

It is also worth mentioning, that Krytyka Polityczna (other source) is a far-left magazine and web of institutions/activists of such political option. 2A02:A313:4348:D580:E9BE:5EF0:A3B1:153A (talk) 23:26, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

description of English first- and second-person pronouns as "gender-neutral"

First- and second-person English pronouns developed organically, hence, they're properly described as "unmarked for gender", not by the recent prescriptionist phrase, "gender-neutral". "Gender neutral" is clearly not taxonomic/descriptive, otherwise, the pronoun, "you" would be described as "case neutral". Also, the generic "he", when the referent or antecedent is a mixed-sex group, though it's identical to its masculine use is properly taxonomised as "common gender", not "masculine", similar to how the German articles "der" and "dem" can be masculine or feminine/masculine or neuter respectively, depending on the case.

Looking further through the page, any entry for any usage that was current before 1960, before which the prescriptionist "gender neutrality" was not a thing, e. g., "one" as a generic pronoun, should be deleted or at the least "gender neutral" replaced with "common gender" or "unmarked for gender". 185.205.225.132 (talk) 13:11, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Date format

This article is veering all over the place between at least three inconsistent date formats, and needs to be normalized to one, per MOS:DATEVAR. I'm of a mind to impose DMY, since this subject has nothing to do with the US in particular so doesn't seem to have any cause to use MDY. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 06:34, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]