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Contraction

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Under franchise history: should include mention of the Twins being one of the two teams targeted for "contraction" in 2002. The Twins were mentioned in the article on the Expos (the other team targeted).

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Please take Didi Gregorius off as our team owner Philgorden (talk) 03:59, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like one photo is a mirror image

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Washington's Bucky Harris scores on his home run in the fourth inning of Game 7 of the 1924 World Series.

It sure looks like the guy is crossing the plate from the first base side and not the third base side!

I'm not yet good with photos. If someone wants to help teach me or work with me on reversing this photo back and/or getting a better photo, please, I'd appreciate the help.  :-) FriendlyRiverOtter (talk) 19:49, 15 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know. To me, it looks like it's oriented correctly. It appears he is crossing into the batter's box outline on the 3rd base side of home plate, with the photographer shooting from the 1st base side, based on the direction of the box outline - the box has its long side parallel more or less to bottom edge of photo. The catcher would therefore be standing in fair ground between the foul lines. If instead the runner was coming down the first base line, and therefore the catcher was in foul territory, then the lines for the batter's box would be more parallel to the photo's right side. Another clue is the bat boy's shirt; the shadow where it is buttoned suggests that it is buttoned the way that men's clothes usually are, with the buttons sewn to the portion on the wearer's right, with the fabric on the left folded over. If the photo was flipped, there wouldn't be as dark a shadow line visible since the fabric would fold over in the opposite direction. Echoedmyron (talk) 20:59, 15 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yet another clue is that the Giants catcher here is right-handed, as evidenced by wearing a glove on the left. Per Baseball Reference [1] the catcher in that game was Hank Gowdy, who was indeed right-handed. If the photo was flipped, then the glove would be on the other hand. Echoedmyron (talk) 21:04, 15 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
This is what I love about Wikipedia!  :-) And the Internet in general. People can look at a situation, or even a picture, and see very different things. And I learn something almost every time. Yes, the catcher has his glove on his left hand, which means a right-handed ballplayer. But all the same, the runner is coming in diagonally from the right, which clear as a bell is the first base side. At least it looks that way to me.
Well again, if runner is coming from the first place side, that would mean there is a batter's box line oriented in front of the plate, rather than next to it. And, if he were coming from first place, that would mean that the prominent white line between the runner and the catcher is the first base line, which would mean we should see a similar line extending to the left behind the bat boy for the third base line. The absence of a second foul line, and the position of the batter's box line, indicates the photographer is positioned to the right of home plate and not behind it. The runner is coming from third base. Echoedmyron (talk) 20:13, 20 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
In addition, modern infields have a larger dirt area on the foul side of home plate. Which is as this picture shows, even for 1924. FriendlyRiverOtter (talk) 19:28, 20 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
And looking at it again several weeks later, I'm not just seeing the photographer being in the field of play, which is where he or she would have had to have been. I mean, did photographers enter the field of play back then during live action? I don't think so. Plus, the angle still doesn't look right. I'm still concluding that it's a mirror image. FriendlyRiverOtter (talk) 20:38, 12 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
As I said a month ago: Yet another clue is that the Giants catcher here is right-handed, as evidenced by wearing a glove on the left. Per Baseball Reference the catcher in that game was Hank Gowdy, who was indeed right-handed. If the photo was flipped, then the glove would be on the other hand. A right-throwing catcher must have his glove on his left hand, as in this presentation. To your latest suggestion, that the photographer must be on the field - well, sometimes they were. That said, the image is pretty clearly taken from an elevated position, as in, the photographer is probably in the stands and zooming in to take the photo. A quick look at Griffith Stadium (where this photo was taken) suggests it was taken from somewhere behind and above the first-base side dugout.[2] Maybe from a ladder on the field, but really it makes no difference. The catcher is standing in front of the plate. The batboy is behind the plate. The runner is crossing the plate from third base.Echoedmyron (talk) 23:26, 12 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Even turning it around in my mind, the line that Bucky Harris is on does not look like a proper third base line. And I'd really encourage you to look at the aspect of the field: Is the greater amount of dirt surrounding home plate in or out of the field of play? FriendlyRiverOtter (talk) 18:05, 13 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

1960s

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In this section, the article says Rod Carew set the all-time record with 7 steals of home in 1969. Not true. Ty Cobb stole home 8 times in 1912. 73.210.139.10 (talk)

Good catch - fixed. Ckruschke (talk) 17:46, 15 September 2020 (UTC)ckruschke[reply]
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The interlocking TC is the official team logo. The Twins listed here is just the Jersey logo. 142.198.55.158 (talk) 00:15, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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