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Effects on Children

I highly doubt this section is to be considered scholarly. Its entire content seems to be derived from a rather trite University of New Hampshire counseling pamphlet. This section needs to be rewritten in its entirety to reflect a more scholarly treatment of the effects of divorce on children. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.209.144.90 (talk) 16:49, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

• Agree! No idea how it grew to be so large. I have moderated it until better information is volunteered. Eedlee (talk) 12:15, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Causes

This section seems to leave out the root causes. One root cause behind divorce is people getting married BEFORE knowing everything about their partners, rather than after. Another is the inability to enjoy everything, and I mean everything, about their partners, regardless of how unusual or cruel they may be. A woman that marries a man, only to find out that he is a rude pig and hates that will of course look for a divorce before long. On the other hand, a woman that knows and enjoys everything about her man will marry happily regardless of whether he is a rude pig, rarely home, etc.24.118.227.213 06:20, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

I added some referenced material concerning initial choice of mate. -- Beland (talk) 18:14, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Civil divorce

The article ought to make more clear the distinction between civil divorce and religious divorce. The vast majority of divorces are civil because many religions are hostile to it, when it is not simply forbidden. For instance, many Catholics erroneously believe that a civil divorce equals a religious divorce, when in fact this is not the case, since a civil divorce is merely reciprocal to a contractual civil marriage, while on the contrary Catholic religious divorces are de jure impossible and can only result in an annulment, meaning there was no religious marriage in the first place. ADM (talk) 20:52, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

I added a section on religion and divorce which goes into more detail on this subject. -- Beland (talk) 18:14, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Request: effects of divorce?

I would like to request the creation of a section "effects of divorce", discussing the effects of divorce, not only on children, but on the people getting divorced themselves, especially looking at different circumstances leading to divorce. This has been extensively studied--there is a wealth of easy-to-find material out there! Cazort (talk) 04:04, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

This is covered in Implications of divorce. That article could use a great deal of expansion, and then a better summary should be added to this article so it's not so easy to miss. -- Beland (talk) 18:14, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Free encyclopedic public domain source (CRS report)

I'm adding Congress's CRS reports to their relevant talk pages, since they're so thorough and you can just copy-and-cite the content ... here's yours:

http://wikileaks.org/wiki/CRS:_Tax_Implications_of_Divorce:_Treatment_of_Alimony%2C_Child_Support%2C_and_the_Childs_Personal_Exemption%2C_May_30%2C_2002

PS : I feel like this would warrant a small section in summary style, plus a "main article" on "Divorce (United States tax implications)" or somesuch. This page probably serves as a self-help page for many people, so this content really should be plundered. Agradman ^talk/_contribs 08:13, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Law only?

Not sure why this turned out to be a law guide. Why doesn't the article cover all phases of divorce. Why only law? This is a deficiency and the article is structured that way right now. Student7 (talk) 00:08, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Many non-law sections seem to have been lost or moved to other articles. I've done some rounding out; if you still see gaps in coverage, feel free to make a specific suggestion as to what should be added. -- Beland (talk) 18:14, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Polygamous divorce

The article should consider mentioning the matter of polygamous divorce, which occurs in certain countries where polygamy is allowed. With modern laws on gay marriage, further liberalization could even lead to polygamous gay divorce, if anybody can seriously imagine that. ADM (talk) 00:43, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

That's mentioned in the intro now. -- Beland (talk) 18:14, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Unpopular insertions

There are government statistics (or financed research by the NIH), that cohabitation prior to marriage is a negative factor predicting divorce. While the precise wording may be subject to alteration, the basic premise that cohabiting couples have a higher divorce rate is not really being contended by any serious researcher. It is not a popular statement here since most editors tend to be young men and is therefore subject to deletion for little or no reason. I have one good reference here. If that is contended, there are plenty of others. They tend to take up a lot of editing space and are therefore hard to read, but I can place many more if "many more" is the answer to people who basically don't care for the statement at all under any circumstances. Student7 (talk) 17:41, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

In like manner, another quote on correlation with church attendance was also deleted "because it wasn't quoted 'correctly'." I have now quoted it "correctly" though it seems to be less readable. This has also been widely reported in the press and is not an obscure observation. Student7 (talk) 18:15, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

I found all the comments to be insertive and generally misleading. You attempt at cleanup is far better than what was there previously, but it didn't seem supportable statistically, only referentially. I have directly quoted and linked US gov sites with real statistics. If you find the changes unsuitable feel free to undo. Nice to see another rational human trying to fix this page. Eedlee (talk) 15:56, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

In the summary of the referenced article from the surviving residue, it says (quote) "For first marriages, for example, marriages are less likely to break up, and more likely to succeed, if the wife grew up in a two-parent home, is Asian, was 20 years of age or over at marriage, did not have any children when she got married, is college-educated, has more income, or has any religious affiliation." (unquote) This is then supported in the analysis. It may be unpopular with the young, as I have mentioned, but otherwise what do you not like about this? Student7 (talk) 19:22, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

I see no issue with claiming religion as a contributing factor to lower divorce rate and I did leave the comment there. I had perceived that you were trying to clean up someone else's language and that perhaps you were being timid about rewriting it. It appears I incorrectly performed the undo because now I can't find the original material. I apologize for any mis-placed rewrites. If you have the material please re-insert.Eedlee (talk) 17:31, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Before misinterpreting what you have just said, resulting in a possible problem, let me place here for inspection, the original section which I am thinking about reinserting:

"Among factors that are believed to be associated with a higher divorce rate were cohabitation prior to marriage,<ref>[ http://eclkc.ohs.acf.hhs.gov/hslc/Family%20and%20Community%20Partnerships/Self-Sufficiency/Healthy%20Marriage/Head%20Start%20March%20Newsletter.pdf]</ref> and infrequent church attendance.<ref>[http://www.citizenlink.org/FOSI/marriage/divorce/A000000901.cfm]</ref><ref>[http://books.google.com/books?id=bddqnGeRGJsC&pg=PA80&lpg=PA80&dq=%22church+attendance%22+divorce+rate+-.com&source=bl&ots=Eq4MGFFCz3&sig=h7YDklFrrhzcNliKSZNPAxPbtJI&hl=en&ei=WM6rSsa8Gs6RlAfBr7TlBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8#v=onepage&q=%22church%20attendance%22%20divorce%20rate%20-.com&f=false]</ref>.

Sorry about the cluttering effect of the nowikis but didn't know how to present formatted refs otherwise. Student7 (talk) 15:47, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

It's definitely OK material, and like I stated I think maybe I was trying to cleanup someone else's info not realizing you had done your due diligence in your own efforts. I might only comment that the Google excerpt is from a 1994 book - not to discredit the author in any way as he seems credible but did he ever print a later edition? Either way no issues from me whatsoever on the re-insert. Eedlee (talk) 19:03, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Okay. I have reinserted it without the old google reference. Note that it is now refuted by the preceding paragraph which is okay IMO. It is equally cited (I suppose. I haven't checked). There is nothing wrong with contradiction here. If there were general agreement, divorce would either be forbidden or mandatory!  :) Student7 (talk) 15:13, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

I am somewhat confused how we went from a Google book to a Barna reference? Also I am not sure the idea of "Church" which is a secular reference, is supposed to reintereate information on divorce rates, which are non-secular events. Eedlee (talk) 14:56, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

I am not sure about the question.

The article is part of "WikiProject Religion." The West largely inherited its concept of divorce from its Jewish roots (bible). Not sure what this looked like historically in the rest of the world or if it was as orderly before being exposed to the Western concept.

As I recall, the original reference was challenged. The new one is submitted as reliable. Student7 (talk) 20:26, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Barna Group as reference

Editors and sometimes vandals, have reverted and sometimes merely not liked, the The Barna Group's report on cohabitation as a predictor of future marriage success. Please see article on Barna Group. They are respected. Saying they are Christian and therefore unreliable is clearly a WP:POV remark. I don't care for everything they say either, but they need to be considered as does any other reliable polling group. Student7 (talk) 12:23, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

On their About page, the Barna Group describes how they are "working with a pool of leaders and communicators who are helping the Church to grow and become more effective in reaching people with God’s truth" and helps to "identify young people between the ages of 8 and 12 whom God has called to lead the Church in the future". That they are Christian is pretty obvious. Given that their research contradicts government data, the fact that they are actively promoting Christian values may be an indication that institutional bias has influenced their results. In the absence of third-party literature review which evaluates competing claims, readers need to be able to make up their own minds, so I have added a referenced note concerning the religious affiliation of the group. -- Beland (talk) 21:39, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes. The leaders are Christian. However, calling them "Christian" is like saying in every racial study, a white group said that..., or in a study of anything abroad, "A US group (Associated Press!) said that..." Or by The NY Times, "A left wing paper said that..." The idea of the adjective is to tarnish their results by labeling. If the results are WP:BIASed then their credentials are impugned and they shouldn't be used. But I don't think this is the case here. It was the Barna group which reported that Evangelicals were more likely to put on the mantle (I forget the exact words) of religion on Sunday, and forget about it the rest of the week, to my shock. This is hardly reflects pro-Christian bias! I believe they are reporting the facts from their polls as they have taken them. I find no evidence or comments from other sources that they are not credible on what they report. Student7 (talk) 23:25, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

At this point it's everyone in the community vs just you. Any reason why you can't just remove the line? The discussion is just getting silly and has nothing to do with Divorce. 65.244.15.2 (talk) 15:41, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Not sure it is possible to search divorce and cohabitation and not find research supporting (or sometimes refuting) this. Barna is just the best available for US. What is there about Barna's method of research that you don't like? Where have they demonstrated bias? I realize that people do not like this finding. But that is insufficient reason to remove it. "Everyone?" I don't think so. "Nothing to do with divorce." Huh? Student7 (talk) 23:02, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

According to http://www.barna.org/store?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=14&category_id=1&keyword=Grow+Your+Church+from+the+Outside+In, George Barna wrote a book called "Grow Your Church from the Outside in: Understanding the Unchurched and How to Reach Them". In the product description it is declared: "In this practical and user-friendly volume, author and researcher George Barna explores the world of the unchurched. Based on research his company conducted among several thousand unchurched people, Barna describes who the unchurched are and how we might most easily and appropriately connect with them. Using additional research he conducted among churches that have had great success in attracting and retaining unchurched people, Barna also outlines perspectives and effective strategies for churches that wish to reach those who avoid churches." It also discloses that "This book was formerly titled, Re-Churching The Unchurched". The page does not cite the year of publishing, but a search in http://www.amazon.com/Grow-Your-Church-Outside-Understanding/dp/0830730753 informs us that it was published by Regal Books in December 2002. So by December 2002, George Barna already had data on who the unchurched are. Moreover, he was already engaged in a crusade to re-church the unchurched. Then, in December 2007 and January 2008, Barna Research Group, which was "founded by George and Nancy Barna in 1984", collected more data on the unchurched. Specifically in our case, they collected data about the relationship between being unchurched and being divorced. I suppose that the Barna Research Group was after a repeatability of the results. This does not mean that the results could have amounted to reproducibility, so the aforementioned results would have remained, for all practical purposes, not validated. Anyway, I presume that in this case, the independent variable was church-attendance status and the dependent variable was divorce-experience status. So for every unchurched person, the answer was either a positive correlation or a negative correlation. So if a positive correlation was found between being unchurched and being divorced, the repeatability would have been achieved and the null hypothesis would have been rejected. If a negative correlation was found, the repeatability would not have been achieved and the experimental hypothesis would have been rejected. Of course, the experimental hypothesis for George Barna and his Barna Research Group is "church is good for people", as they already took action in that direction to the point that Barna "has been hailed as 'the most quoted person in the Christian Church today' and has been named by various media as one of the nation’s most influential Christian leaders", which tells us that they had in fact moved beyond the data-analysis and hypothesis-rejection phase and have reached the conclusion phase, possibly before repeatability has been established and definitively before reproducibility has been established. So we are confronted here with the possibility of confirmation bias. How they avoided this problem is not explained in their article. Aldo L (talk) 06:20, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Too many words.

Barna is a religious fundamentalist.

The original question was "how does this affect Barna's sampling, polling and reporting the facts? How is Barna demonstrably biased in his sampling, polling and reporting? (Yes, he picks questions that are of interest to him and his subscribers, but that does not, in itself, result in a biased report).

Please be terse.

There are plenty of people who have a bias who do polling. Most pollsters have some bias. That is certainly no surprise to me. Is it to you? I know of no pollster who does not have some bias. That is the only reason they are polling. To "prove" some point to somebody. Sometimes the point fails, as happens with Barna. That just makes him honest, as most of the better-known pollsters are. Their bias is irrelevant if they use unbiased means of sampling, polling and reporting. Student7 (talk) 14:20, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

I am happy to have reached a consensus: "Barna is a religious fundamentalist. [...] That is the only reason they are polling. To 'prove' some point to somebody." And now that we agree, let's toast with virtual drinks, shake our virtual hands and let's all move on to another topic. Cheers... peace on Earth. Aldo L (talk) 04:13, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

The fact that Barna (organization, not person) polls for religious organizations, can be revealed, but not an extended resume which someone (I didn't check) had inserted, in order to discredit the information. It's like saying, that "Gallup, founded by George Gallup, a registered Democrat, who conducts polls for the Democratic Party, found that potential voters preferred Obama over Palin 55% to 45%." Question: Did I discredit Gallup "sufficiently"? Maybe it needs yet another flourish? Student7 (talk) 12:46, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

"Dr. Gallup founded the American Institute of Public Opinion, the precursor of The Gallup Organization, in Princeton, New Jersey, in 1935. To ensure his independence and objectivity, Dr. Gallup resolved that he would undertake no polling that was paid for or sponsored in any way by special interest groups such as the Republican and Democratic parties. Adhering to this principle, Gallup has turned down thousands of requests for surveys from organizations representing every shade of the political spectrum and with every kind of special agenda." http://www.gallup.com/corporate/21364/George-Gallup-19011984.aspx Aldo L (talk) 06:06, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

All, or nearly all, polling organizations are available for hire. Some are known as X pollsters, whose numbers tend to favor one party over the other. One, maybe Gallup, is Democrat, another Republican. They don't fudge their numbers and are "accurate" (trustworthy) within their reporting criteria, but their (reported) methods or wording of the question(s) may favor one party or candidate over another. It is this appearance that a candidate is looking for when s/he is trying to become known as a national candidate. Or trying to convince the public that a certain position is "popular." Say increasing taxes, favoring abortion, that sort of thing.

I find Barna more credible than that. He tells it like it is. His results on religious practices of adherents demonstrates that. Student7 (talk) 12:49, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Response to Barna Group reference

I don't believe that the reference in question is either right or wrong. What IS questionable in this case is whether the two "possible contributing factors" named in the article even belong in the first place. I, as well as a great number of others (clearly), disagree with the paragraph's relevance and place in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.16.103.110 (talk) 06:07, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

I don't understand. Why shouldn't the causes of divorce be in an article about divorce? Student7 (talk) 20:28, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Removal of Divorce busting from see also

An editor has removed the article (and book), Divorce Busting, from the list of see alsos. I would like to hear the rationale for this. It is a "notable" book, substantiated by an article. If it is not, maybe the DB article s/b deleted. I agree it seems promotional, but if it is really notable, appearing here would not enhance sales. Right? Student7 (talk) 12:41, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Being in Category:Divorce is probably enough; there are any number of self-help marriage books. -- Beland (talk) 15:49, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Problem with "rates"

Note the new Australian divorce rates as examples. The annual rate is 2.x per thousand. This translates into 1 out of 3 marriages failing! The linkage is not clear at all, typical of these rates. We need a translation method, stated in the article someplace. All demographic data (health, for example) must have the same problem. I will try to ask elsewhere. Student7 (talk) 13:22, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean by "the linkage is not clear". Are you saying the rate seems low given the percentage of marriages that end in divorce? -- Beland (talk) 18:19, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

No. What I am saying is that if I say that 2 in a thousand marriages fail annually, I am also making a statement about how long the average marriage will last. I just don't know how to translate annual "rate" into "marriage longevity." This affects all rate stuff, not just divorces, except most of the others, total lifetime is implied. That is, knowing at what average age people marry, what their average lifespan is (Male and female), and the divorce rate, I "know" almost precisely, how long the average marriage will last until death or divorce (have to separate out. A complicating factor!).

And yes, the flip side is that I cannot "eyeball" a rate and see if it passes the "smell test" on marriage longevity.

Left message, but no one answered.

I'm not quite as certain as when I wrote that (a few seconds ago) that I can easily separate out lifespan longevity from marriage longevity. There might be a "rule of thumb" for countries with lifespans of 70-80 and a different "rule of thumb" for countries with a much lower lifespan. Student7 (talk) 19:17, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

I would like to see all the rates presented in a way that facilitates easier comparison. At present, some are quoted as divorces per n thousand population, whereas others are quoted as x out of y marriages. Rodparkes (talk) 10:44, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

UK study

Someone just inserted a UK study on divorce. Of necessity, shouldn't these country-specific studies go under the country itself? Do social studies made in one country with different laws and mores necessarily apply to all countries? Applies to US studies as well BTW! Student7 (talk) 19:20, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

India

I have tagged India section of this article for lack of citation from any sources, the section is completely orphan. - Humaliwalay (talk) 09:46, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

I rm uncited material and extra words. Not much left now, so rm tag!  :) Student7 (talk) 18:54, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Yeah thanks, section is OK now removal of tags are accepted. - Humaliwalay (talk) 08:49, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

South Asia

I have tagged this section due to lack of inline citation. Please introduce some inline citations to help improve the section. - Humaliwalay (talk) 10:31, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Driving by doing research for work. this BBC article will probably provide some decent and reliable information on the subject for the purposes of this article. Cheers, Archaeo (talk) 23:24, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Divorce is not illegal in Malta

'The only Western countries where divorce is illegal are Malta[citation needed] and the British Crown Dependency of Sark.[2]'

Divorce is not illegal in Malta. Malta simply lacks a legislation for divorce, so you cannot divorce in Malta.* Also, if you manage to obtain it abroad, it is recognized.

• Of course this may change on 28 May 2011. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.133.13.7 (talk) 20:28, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Issue overtaken by events. Article updated.

Demdem (talk) 22:18, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Similarly in Vatican, Philippines

The wording is that divorce is "prohibited." I suspect that there is simply no mechanism for divorce in those countries. It's like getting a license to drive on the right side of the road in a country where people normally drive on the left - there simply is no mechanism for doing so. It is not "prohibited" per se. More accurately, it is "not possible." Student7 (talk) 02:42, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Technically, there is divorce in the Philippines, but only for the Muslims. So generally saying, there is no divorce in the Philippines is not quite correctt. -- 49.145.90.111 (talk) 16:28, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

history

was it even possible to divorce, at least in western culture, before Henry the 8th and the formation of the Anglican church?Shadowmaster13 (talk) 13:46, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Annulments were granted by the pope in the Christian world. I don't know when this started. I think Henry got one of those. It was his wanting a second one that started all the problems. "Separation" was also legal. There is no format for "divorce", per se. So it can't be done at all. Student7 (talk) 20:15, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Need for editing

The paragraph beginning "According to Sharia law, if a man initiates the divorce," needs editing by a native speaker of English who knows the subject matter. Rammer (talk) 19:44, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Divorce and Children

This article could be improved by having an addition section about the effects of having a child. One of the many fights that often turn a divorce ugly is the fight to gain custody over the children. Also for people who are married and considering a divorce it would be knowledgable to know what the effects of the divorce could have on ones child. Speaking from personal experience when your parents divorce your entire world turns upside down. If a child/teenager uninformed about Divorce came to this site to learn about it and what the effects it might have on them and ways of dealing with it they would be let down.

Also adding a section about the emotional truama for both adults and children involved would be a good addition.MonicaBB (talk) 21:46, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

A better idea would be creating a new page for divorce and children. The current article already has a section to discuss some of the general information but a complete reworking of the page is not necessary. Similar discussions about Divorce and Religion have been subtexted and moved offpage. Eedlee (talk) 14:15, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

The first citation is from a study done in 2001, and may represent some outdated data on the psychological effects of divorce on children. A newer study would help these paragraphs be up to date. The psychological effects are very underrepresented in this article. A separate article should be made, due to the extensive research on the effects of divorce on children. Finally, much of this research is biased, in the fact that it mainly represents children in the United States. There should b more information about children from other countries to give an accurate representation. Conklincstockton (talk) 00:43, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

Same-sex Married Couples

Why is there a whole section for same-sex married couples in the United States? The section has roughly the same amount of material as "Effects of Divorce." Meanwhile the section on polygyny and divorce, a much broader subject, has one paragraph. I suggest some of the same-sex marriage section be farmed out to some other page because this is undue weight. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.196.218.96 (talk) 18:30, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Divorce rates

Divorce rates have been increasing over the past 150 years and some reference material is required. I have added this link which has the data. I cannot find a better site that addresses the issue. http://divorcestat.com/11/marriage-and-divorce-rates-in-the-usa-over-the-past-150-years/ Some admin keeps coming here and removing it with a little too much enthusiasm. Eedlee (talk) 09:58, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Someone's personal site does not meet WP:RS guidelines. Please read those guidelines. There are plenty of sites elsewhere that provide similar situation. [This http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2010/05/19/15-ways-to-predict-divorce.html] is one. If you continue to add sites not meet WP:RS (or make further personal attacks as you did on my talk page), you will be blocked. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 13:36, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Just because you follow all the rules and quote all the right headers does not mean you are being useful, helpful or contributing. And telling you to hunt the wumpus is not an attack. Eedlee (talk) 15:26, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

I have changed the divorce stats and rates to represent more up-to date information. Additionally, I added a few countries under Asia and rearranged the United States stats page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcbam12 (talk • contribs) 18:59, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Change to Lead Paragraph.

I removed the following syntax from the lead as it should contain an overview of to subject, "Divorce", not specific stats IMHO, per Wikipedia guidelines:

..."The University of St. Augustine estimates that in the USA, 40% to 50% of all first marriages and 60% of second marriages end in divorce.[1] In the UK, according to ONS (Office for National Statistics), marriages ending in divorce after 15 years in England and Wales rose from just under 1 in 4 (22%) of all marriages in 1970 to a third (33%) of all marriages in 1995."

Perhaps it could be integrated in to the Statistics area? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.58.45.96 (talk) 20:06, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Some info that I ran into that might be useful for the article. Shaunti Feldhahn's new book “The Good News About Marriage” states that the 50% figure is a myth.[1] “There is no such thing as a 50 percent divorce rate. It’s never been close,” she said. “Right now … 72 percent of people are still married to their first spouse — that’s Census Bureau data.” And of the 28 percent who are no longer married to their first spouse, Feldhahn said that a good chunk of those people were married when their husband or wife died and were never actually divorced. So, theoretically, the divorce rate must fall somewhere below the 28 percent mark. Morphh ^(talk) 21:28, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Lead image

I'm going to go ahead and remove the image (File:NoWedding.jpg) from the article's lead. It sticks out as being a little too literal, and in my opinion borders on cheesy when used in this article. (For what it's worth, the image wasn't even created for article space—per the image description, it's for a NoWedding userbox. I realize that's only tangentially relevant, but I'm putting it out there anyways.) Per Wikipedia's guideline on lead images, a lead image should "illustrat[e] the topic specifically" and "be the type of image that is used for similar purposes in high-quality reference works". The image fits neither of those requirements, and per WP:LEADIMAGE, sometimes not having a lead image is the best way to go if no easy representation of the topic to be found. I think that's the case here. cymru.lass (talk • contribs) 07:28, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Links

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Religion and Divorce

While reading this specific section of the article, I feel that there can be more information added. My suggestion is to provide more information about a few religions and their take on divorce. GYaneli789 (talk) 05:18, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

He married her 25 years ago but has never contributed to the house as it was already paid off. Now wants a divorce, what is he actually entitiled to? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.124.115.105 (talk) 21:23, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Current

This was written in an non bias approach. The writer does not hint that it's frowned upon or that it's good. He also provides information about Divorce laws and how they vary around the world. He is giving facts not opinions. He give the issues of divorce such as alimony, child custody, child support, etc. Improvements can be made by adding information to life after divorce. Possibly consider the question: How does divorce each spouse? What is the current divorce rate in America? What country has the highest divorce rate? references listed are reliable, there aren't any broken links. These sources are neutral and mostly from websites. Everything in the article is relevant to Divorce. K.alcantara (talk) 04:41, 4 November 2015 (UTC) Nov. 03, 2015

Patterns of Divorce

Divorce rates increase during times of hardship, war, and major events. Divorce rates increased after Word War II because people were quick to marry each other before they went to war. When soldiers returned, they found out they don't have much in common with their spouses, so they divorced. K.alcantara (talk) 05:09, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

References

First Person

Don't really have time to edit this right now (might come back to it later), but the section on psychological effects on children has a fair bit of first-person content. The issue here is obvious. 162.157.116.171 (talk) 03:56, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

First Latin American country allowing divorce

You are forgetting to mention Uruguay. They where the first in 1907 to make law allowing divorce. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.56.160.140 (talk) 06:20, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Effects on children (again)

In this edit, editor NatassiaB inserted a large-ish addition that reads to me like a personal essay, although it does include some references. Later editors have removed some of the first-person observations, but some remain and the overall result is that this section is far larger than it probably ought to be. My inclination would be to chop out the whole addition, but I would like to see some other editor's opinions before I wield the hatchet. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 06:45, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

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Picture of the day

Divorce is the process of terminating a marriage. Divorce laws vary considerably around the world, but in most countries divorce requires the sanction of a court or other authority in a legal process, which involves issues such as distribution of property and child custody. Common reasons for divorce include adultery, domestic violence, midlife crises, addiction, and workaholism.

This is a cartoon by Samuel D. Ehrhart, titled An International High Noon Divorce. It parodies the circus-like proceedings during the divorce of American socialite Anna Gould from her husband Boni de Castellane, a French nobleman.Cartoon: Samuel D. Ehrhart. Restoration: Adam Cuerden

Criticism of divorce section/article needed

For now I redirected this here. We have an article on criticism of marriage and many others "criticism of", its surprising that 20 years in, Wikipedia still had nothing about this issue. Granted, it's less of a topic than it was decades or centuries ago, but it used to be a major social issue. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:53, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

Original research needed

Hello. I have a large amount of knowledge on this topic and I am excited to contribute here. I am just wondering whether it would be acceptable to cite original research? My experiences will help I but do not want to violate Wikipedia:No original_research. Thanks. Birgontaur (talk) 12:31, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia:No original_research says that no it is not acceptable to cite original research. -- Hoary (talk) 12:42, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

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Early America section

I added a section for divorce in Early America. It's strictly bare bones, but it's better than nothing. I would love if someone could expand on it more. Pensive.Shrimp (talk) 22:00, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

In 2015, the highest divorces rates in the UK were recorded all beside the sea,

I do not understand the sentence in the section head, which is found under England. Creuzbourg (talk) 15:24, 21 April 2024 (UTC)