Talk:Douglas Albert Munro

USCGC Munro

The USCG page says, "A cutter, the USCGC Munro, was commissioned in his honor in 1944, and the name has remained in commission ever since." The Coast Guard doen't seem to have anything on this ship[1], and all Google seems to have are echoes of Wikipedia. Is this a mistaken reference to the Navy ship, USS Douglas A. Munro (DE-422)?—wwoods 22:25, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

CGC Munro, WHEC 724 is homeported at Coast Guard Island, Alemeda, Ca. Info from CG Site. Contact 510-437-3710.

RJones 05 MAy 2005

There certainly is now a cutter Munro: USCGC Munro (WHEC-724). She was commissioned in 1971, and is still on active service. http://www.uscg.mil/pacarea/Munro/History.html

And there certainly was a ship named in Munro's honor, and commissioned in 1944: USS Douglas A. Munro (DE-422), a Navy destroyer escort. She was decommissioned 24 June 1960. http://www.history.navy.mil/danfs/d5/douglas_a_munro.htm

But was there an earlier cutter? The Coast Guard's website doesn't list one (http://www.uscg.mil/hq/g-cp/history/CutterList.html). GABaker mentions an article in "Coast Guard Magazine", which sounds like a good source, but I can't help thinking there's some confusion here. (Well, I know I'm confused.)

—wwoods 07:22, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

During WWII, the common practice was “USS CG” or just “USS.” After the war, we received the right to separately identify our own vsls as such (USCGC).4.246.120.29 (talk) 04:39, 30 April 2008 (UTC)Andering J REDDSON (USCG BM³ Reserve).

It is taught in Coast Guard boot camp that Douglas A. Munro is the only member of the US Coast Guard to receive the Medal of Honor. However Marcus A. Hanna received it as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.31.221.110 (talk) 23:28, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

To comment on the above post; Marcus A. Hanna did receive a Medal of Honor during his time as a lighthouse keeper, however it was awarded for his service while serving in the Army during the Civil War. Cuprum17 (talk) 17:27, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

The Wiki bio for Marcus A. Hanna (per the link above) says nothing about a Medal of Honor award. In fact, it states that during his Civil War service (in a militia unit) he did not see action. Nor is he noted as ever being in the Coast Guard (or the lighthouse service). Are there two Marcus Hanna's...Engr105th (talk) 05:47, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Try this link: Marcus Hanna (lighthouse keeper). This is the Marcus Hanna that was the lighthouse keeper. The link I posted above is in error but I believe that someone has installed a disambiguation link that needed some work. Cuprum17 (talk) 18:44, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Got it - thanks for clarifying ! Engr105th (talk) 03:38, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Picture

Hey Whats wrong with having the picture of Douglas Munro's actions ?

I added the painting of the action. It is the only depiction that I have personally seen regarding Munro's exploits or the U.S. Coast Guard from that collection. Tjlynnjr (talk) 08:03, 28 July 2013 (UTC).

The painting's original title was "Douglas A. Munro Covers the Withdrawal of the 7th Marines at Guadalcanal" and was painted by artist Bernard D'Andrea for the U.S. Coast Guard Bicentennial Celebration, 1990. USCG Historian color image (official) Munro action. Official Coast Guard painting of Munro's last moments while evacuating Marines at Guadalcanal. [2] Retrieved: 13 July 2014. Semper Paratus Tjlynnjr (talk) 20:12, 13 July 2014 (UTC) .

Petty Officer Munros citizenship

PO. Munro was not naturalized, according to the 1930 US census. His parents were both U.S. citizens living abroad, so Munro was a U.S. citizen at birth. Following are some conflicting sources:

• U.S. House of Representatives, Committee on Transportation and Infastructure.

Fact Sheet HR 2611 – A bill to designate the United States Coast Guard Headquarters the “Douglas A. Munro Coast Guard Headquarters Building”. "Background...He became a U.S. citizen in 1922." [3] Retrieved: 13 July 2014.

• Canadian Winners (sic) of the United States Medal of Honor. Friends of the Canadian War Museum (FCWM-AMCG) "...born...in Vancouver, BC, to American parents." [4] Retrieved: 13 July 2014.
• USCG Historian's Office says born Vancouver, BC of US parents.[5][6] Retrieved: 13 July 2014.
• Congressional Record PROCEEDINGS AND DEBATES OF THE 113th CONGRESS, FIRST SESSION Vol. 159 WASHINGTON, TUESDAY, JULY 16, 2013 No. 101 DOUGLAS A. MUNRO COAST GUARD HEADQUARTERS BUILDING H4494-H4495 Source says born in Canada of American parents, no mention of naturalization.

NB: My Google search words Was Douglas Albert Munro a U.S. citizen ?.

Summary. He is a Yank. The USCG Historians site features images of PO Munros official service record. The evidence there is clear and detailed. PO Munroe would have had a part in the preparation of the documents. His parents probably reported the birth of a U.S. citizen abroad or words to that effect, at the U.S. Consulate in Vancouver, BC. Finally, there are three ways to do something...the right way...the wrong way...and the Coast Guard way, I personally roll with the Coast Guard way. Semper Paratus Tjlynnjr (talk) 19:56, 13 July 2014 (UTC).

USMC at USCG Recruit Graduations

USCG recruit trainng is modeled on USMC recruit training rather than US Navy Recruit Training. During the 1960's USMC Drill Instructors conducted USCG Recruit Training. Because of Douglas A. Munro's actions, a representative of the Commandant USMC attends the graduation of every USCG Recruit Training Class.

Cite your source. Saying it is different than proving it and that's what's needed for Wikipedia. --McChizzle (talk) 01:22, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Douglas Albert Munro/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Eddie891 (talk · contribs) 15:13, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Sourcing

General

• If you use {{Rp}} for some citations to a book or journal entry, all citations to the book need to use it, and that citation that you use {{rp}} to needs to not use the page= param as far as I know (let me know if I'm wrong on that count)
• seems like a lot of citations are unnecessarily re-used. See this section, where cite #36 is re used twice with no other sources in between

Spotcheck

• 2g: Y
  • 2j: good, see general note about page
  • 2p: good, ditto above
• 27: Y
• 6a: Y (agf that the book covers some of the sentence not in this source)
  • 6b: not in this source -- maybe in the other two?
• 33: Y
• 32: Y
• 13: Y agf that info not in #13 or #9 is in the offline source
• 34a:Y
  • 34b: not exactly right. Only advanced one rank until they reach a certain one -- add to sentence
• 11: Y
• 18a:not ok. very close, but it doesn't say his niece was the ships sponsor, and only describes two of the three ships named after him, so I have no way to verify the other one.
  • 18b: Y

Prose

• military service on the eve of World War II avoid things such as 'eve' in favor of specific dates or ranges like "shortly before".
• He died of gunshot at the age of 22 while using the boat he was piloting to shield from Japanese fire a landing craft filled with marines. suggest "He died of a gunshot wound during the battle while using the boat he was piloting to shield a landing craft filled with marines from Japanese fire." If you want to introduce his age here, perhaps do it when mentioning that he was tasked with the extraction because it wasn't clear to me that it was during the battle.
• perhaps mention his date of death in the lede.
• mention what the douglas munro march is or link it to Douglas_Albert_Munro#"Douglas_Munro_March"
• If you ask me, the sections on "Father, James Munro" and "Mother, Edith Thrower Munro" are completely unnecessary, and I'd recommended removing them. The article is, after all, about Douglass Munro, not his father or mother. In place, a sentence about each would be appropriate. See WP:Summary style
• Why is it necessary to mention that he was an "exceptional dancer"? It's not. Suggest removing.
• Explain what a "yell king" is, as it's not explicitly mentioned in the piped article.
• During this period, Munro became increasingly interested in international politics while also expressing a growing sense of isolation living in rural central Washington and a desire for a more cosmopolitan lifestyle Is this sentence necessary? maybe remove
• Fondly recalling trips his family had taken to Washington's Pacific coast as a child, he decided to join a sea-going service, again, I'd say this's very unnecessary detail
• By summer 1942, per MOS:SEASONS, avoid using seasons.
• Munro was placed in charge of two LCTs and eight LCPLs maybe clarify what LCTs and LCPLs are.
• On September 27, United States Marine Corps Lt. Colonel Chesty Puller ordered three companies of Marines to attack the flank of Japanese positions on the west side of the Matanikau River. does this action have a name? if so, add it.
• A portion of the Marine landing force was spotted on a hillside, clarify who did the spotting, exactly.
• who had occupied a ridge abandoned by the Marines. were they occupying it as they fired or not?
• recovered the beleaguered American forces perhaps just "recovered the American forces"? Naturally they would be beleaguered, but that's unnecessary
• News of the engagement at Matanikau so the first news in all the united states about the engagement was released in the Seattle Times? If not, clarify
• Meanwhile, Colonel Puller had nominated Munro for the Medal of Honor. perhaps just "Colonel Puller nominated Munro for the Medal of Honor"
• James Munro died in 1962 and was buried with state military honors to the right of his son at Laurel Hill Memorial Park. Edith Munro died in 1982 and was buried with federal military honors to her son's left again, the article isn't about them; perhaps shorten to a briefer sentence.
• The act to designate the Coast Guard headquarters in tribute to Munro was introduced by Eleanor Holmes Norton the Delegate of the District of Columbia to the United States maybe "The act to designate the Coast Guard headquarters in tribute to Munro was introduced by the Delegate of the District of Columbia to the United States, Eleanor Holmes Norton"
• an annual ceremony has been held at the gravesite: what exactly does the ceremony entail?
• Once or twice it was recommended that I remove the dates of rank and incorporate them into the articles text, so I do the same to you.
• thats is Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 13:46, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Eddie891 - thanks very much for this thorough review. I'm going to be out of town for the next week, would it be okay if I addressed it the following week if you don't mind holding it for a bit longer? Chetsford (talk) 21:02, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Chetsford, of course! I have a policy of waiting a two-three weeks after concluding comments (if the user is an established contributor) and one-two if the user is newer and may have left. Take your time in responding and remember that everything I say is a suggestion, not a necessity. I'll be around until July so if you have any questions feel free to ask here, on my talk, or via e-mail. An interesting article -- Good work and happy editing! Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 00:30, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Eddie891 - I think I've got this entirely updated per your recommendations now, but please let me know if I missed something. Chetsford (talk) 18:58, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Chetsford, Perhaps I can get around to it this weekend? I'm terribly busy right now... Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 01:49, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

Ranks

During WW II the first three rates in the Navy were seaman 3rd class, seaman 2nd class, and seaman first class. I'm pretty sure this held for the Coast Guard, too, so perhaps they should be changed here.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.235.184.247 (talk) 17:30, 25 March 2019 (UTC)