Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/St. Thomas Tommies
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This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was keep with a strong recommendation to merge.
Reminder: Merge does not destroy history and does not require VfD-level concensus to carry out. Further discussions about decision to merge should be made on the relevant talk pages. Rossami (talk) 23:10, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Stub article that doesn't establish notability, and there's an entire category of stubs. --Spinboy 05:35, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Ironic that Spinboy wants to delete this, but wants to keep an equally content-free article about the University's student union. So, Spinboy, if the athletic department's address and phone number were added, wouldn't that make this as notable as your article? Merge this article into Saint Thomas University, just as I have been trying to do with the student union article. RickK 05:57, Jan 27, 2005 (UTC)
Merge single-sentence substub without potential for expansion. —Korath (Talk) 06:34, Jan 27, 2005 (UTC)Was already merged before vfd, so redirect. —Korath (Talk) 05:56, Jan 28, 2005 (UTC)- Delete. Gtabary 16:07, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Strong keep. The potential for considerable expansion about the noteworthy achievements of Canadian Interuniversity Sport teams - this is the Canadian equivalent to the NCAA, people (albeit with fewer teams, given fewer universities, and with a somewhat smaller public profile, but it's the exact equivalent) - should be obvious. Samaritan 17:54, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Your argument confuses me. Granted, Canadian Interuniversity Sport is equivalent to NCAA and should be kept. But no-one nominated Canadian Interuniversity Sport for deletion. St. Thomas Tommies, on the other hand, is a sub-stub about the nickname for the teams of a single university. Even the NCAA article does not attempt to discuss or even link to every team. Unless further evidence is presented, RickK's merge makes the most sense. Rossami (talk) 22:50, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Major NCAA teams are notable. The St. Thomas teams, I'll admit, are not as major in the scheme of things as a major NCAA team. But they're as notable in the distinct context of Canadian as one of the upper-tier NCAA teams. Their men's hockey (and this is Canada!) recently made the nationals. And the title encompasses multiple teams. It's certainly expandible to a point that would clog Saint Thomas University, so why stomp down on it now? Samaritan 05:10, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Because the entirety of the article is already in Saint Thomas University and not "clogging" it, despite the parent article itself being a stub. Articles shouldn't be split until their sections have already expanded enough to merit it; see Wikipedia:Article size. It's difficult even to argue that it provides information that's not obvious from the article title. —Korath (Talk) 05:52, Jan 28, 2005 (UTC)
- Major NCAA teams are notable. The St. Thomas teams, I'll admit, are not as major in the scheme of things as a major NCAA team. But they're as notable in the distinct context of Canadian as one of the upper-tier NCAA teams. Their men's hockey (and this is Canada!) recently made the nationals. And the title encompasses multiple teams. It's certainly expandible to a point that would clog Saint Thomas University, so why stomp down on it now? Samaritan 05:10, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Your argument confuses me. Granted, Canadian Interuniversity Sport is equivalent to NCAA and should be kept. But no-one nominated Canadian Interuniversity Sport for deletion. St. Thomas Tommies, on the other hand, is a sub-stub about the nickname for the teams of a single university. Even the NCAA article does not attempt to discuss or even link to every team. Unless further evidence is presented, RickK's merge makes the most sense. Rossami (talk) 22:50, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Keep - has potential to be an valuable article.No Guru 20:44, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Keep. Interesting and encyclopedic. GRider\talk 00:03, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Merge and Delete- kaal 00:40, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
WeakDelete,borderlinenot notable. Megan1967 01:54, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)- I agree with Korath. No merge is needed, so Redirect. Uncle G 16:11, 2005 Jan 28 (UTC)
- I created the Canadian Interuniversity Sport stubs, because only a few teams in the federation had existing articles. Articles such as Vanier Cup were linking to a mix of teams with the article already written (eg. Ottawa Gee Gees), redlinked teams in other cases, and the universities in others, which is inaccurate -- Laval University did not win the 2004 Vanier Cup; the Laval Rouge-et-Or did. Consistency is necessary here. There is no defensible distinction to be drawn between which CIS teams deserve articles and which don't, and there is no defensible argument in which American university athletics teams are notable but Canadian ones are delete-worthy. The only acceptable options are keep this, or delete all university sports teams, period; nothing in between is appropriate. Article is expandable. Bearcat 18:27, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Keep and expand. If some CIAU teams have articles, then there is no reason that all CIAU teams (including the Tommies) should not have articles. However, perhaps the more relevant question has to do with whether the individual CIAU teams should have articles. If there is so little content, then perhaps they should all be contained within a CIAU page or individual university pages. Still, users are likely to create pages and links for other CIAU teams, which will bring us right back to the current situation. We might as well expand the article. --Westendgirl 03:00, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- I don't know about Canada, but a lot of American universities are fronts for semi-professional sports teams. In those cases, I modestly propose we merge and redirect the article on the university to the article about the team. Meanwhile, unless something similar is true with St. Thomas and the Tommies, I vote delete. --BM 18:52, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Merge into the school's article. Incidentally, if a separate article were to exist, I would probably call it "St. Thomas University athletics program" or something similar. Isomorphic 22:17, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Keep. I believe that all CIAU teams are worthy of articles. -- James Teterenko (talk) 05:51, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)
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