User talk:Averell23

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Third Opinion

Hi Averell, I saw the dispute posting regarding the Bashkirian Airlines crash on Third Opinion. I have posted my opinion on the [talk page]. I noticed that you and Homer L. were both extremely civil and I wanted to take the time to commend you on that point. Regards, Lazulilasher (talk) 16:21, 7 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Tea and anthrax

The Microbiologist for MArch 2008 is available online (tea & anthrax), in case you are interested. Not world-shakingly important. Best wishes Pol098 (talk) 19:23, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot. It seems much like what we expected :) Averell (talk) 06:15, 13 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed. I've modified the article a little. The article also suggests that tea might have some effect on the course of the infection {A similar mechanism is thought to account for the ability of (-)-epigallocatechin-3-gallate- to inhibit the in vivo activity of the lethal toxin}, but there's no explicit claim. Pol098 (talk) 01:01, 14 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WT:3O

I have been wrong before, but I think you reversed the names here. - Eldereft (cont.) 18:29, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, you were right, sorry. Fixed it now - I hope it was kind of obvious... ;-) Averell (talk) 07:34, 10 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WP:3O - Courtney Peldon

Thank you very much! Dismas|^(talk) 00:29, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

RFC filed - Expeditionradio

A request for comments has been filed concerning the conduct of Expeditionradio. You are invited to comment on the discussion at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Expeditionradio. Manway (talk) 04:16, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello

How's life? Crapunzel (talk) 12:22, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Meet you Midway

FYI, not offended, just don't want to keep seeing my own username attached in the edit summary. No strike strictly needed. But thanx anyhow. TREKphiler ^{hit me ♠} 13:37, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Deck Merge

You made a suggestion about the merge with deck (ship) and 01-Level deck. I agreed with the merge, and I don't see anyone else saying anything about it. If someone changes it back, we can see the user. Colonel Marksman (talk) 07:58, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Maria Elena Holly

Hi Averell23, thank you for your message. Yes, I remember that I didn't mind the merge. What happened was that soemone else went on to re-create the same article pasting the original material which I had written. At first I found it strange that someone would undelete the article and then figured that maybe it was done because during the time Maria has become notable within her own right. Then, the big surprise, when I checked the history page, I found out that the person or user had recreated the article and as I said before by pasting my original work and taking the credit as creator. I wasn't about to let this happen, so what I did was delete the copy and redirect the original with the real history page. Anyway, I don't have anthing against the merge, but I think that maybe Maria has become notable on her own merits. Tony the Marine (talk) 00:49, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You are a good person to interact with. Just for the sake of common knowledge. You are going to put a time limit for the consensus, right? I mean, we are are not going to have a year long consensus (smile). I wouldn't want the people looking into the possibility of promoting Buddy Holly's article to "GA" status to hesitate becasue of it. Tony the Marine (talk) 03:13, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It is always an honor to have interacted with level headed people such as yourself. Tony the Marine (talk) 23:34, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dafur links

Averell:

I hope this is the proper way to open a dialogue with you... I am a new user and am still coming up to speed on how most things work. In regards to your policing of my inclusions; I am the photographer of the work in question. Now, I can always appreciate accountability and I see a grey area where a link could be included for self promotion. Perhaps I am too close to the issue after all this time. Perhaps I find it hard to separate my self from it as it has taken over my personal and professional life. Disseminating my work on Sudan and speaking on the subject at hundreds of universities since 2003, is indeed how I pay my bills, so I hope you can understand the grey area I refer to, but my financial reward has been small, and leaves much to be desired. I know I will not benefit directly from my contribution to Wikipedia.

Regardless, I do feel that the links I am adding are important additions to our collective knowledge. If I didn't feel this way I would not have snuck into Sudan a half dozen times to document the various aspects of the crisis there with a camera - I would not have devoted the last seven years to Sudan professionally. You do not have to agree that images augment our knowledge of a thing, especially one as obscure to most in the developed world as a genocide, or rebel movement. Perhaps you too have been to Darfur and rode with the Justice and Equality Movement through the desert and decimated villages and therefore do not need to see photographs because you have truly experienced the topics I am trying to illustrate. However there is a good percentage of the population who does require imagery, and I do not think it appropriate for you to suppress it for those individuals. I hope you are willing to see my links as a means to illustrate the topics I have photographed, or possibly as a cultural backdrop for the experience of learning about those subjects, for those who will never go to these paces and do the things I have done - especially for those who learn visually.

Words are critical - I truly believe that, but they are symbols nonetheless for concepts and require of us our own previous experiences and prior knowledge to leverage meaning within our minds. Photographs, like mine, capture the essence of a thing which requires little or no words to leverage meaning for someone who wasn't there or has no relevant experience. Take the title of the article, Justice and Equality Movement, for example. This is a pretty obscure name that an organized group have decided to call themselves to signify what the are fighting for. It suggests things, such as organization, but the name does not suggest that they fight at all. It suggests to me that they are concerned with having a good PR image within the international community. I know a different side of the story. I know what weapons they use, what tea they drink, when they pray and how, which by the way is illustrated in one of my photographs at the link below. I know how they travel, what they eat, how old their youngest rebels are... I know their names. These are all questions I get from the hundreds of audiences I've spoken to and shown this work to. I am sure they are questions wikipedia users have too and none of it is listed in the article

"They" say a picture is worth a thousand words... There are approximately 750 words for the entire Justice and Equality Movement article.

I have seven images, from on the ground, which characterize members of this rebel group available only at the following link:

http://sudanproject.ryanspencerreed.com/gallery/?i=3

I'm asking you to allow it to remain.

I also wanted to respond to your initial suggestion:

"Just in case that you are involved with the linked site, I would suggest another way to help Wikipedia: Release some of the pictures under an open license (preferably on Wikimedia Commons), so that they can be used as illustrations in the relevant articles. Averell (talk) 22:24, 21 February 2009 (UTC)"

I will not release these photographs into the public domain at this time - possibly never. They are protected under copyright laws which protect the individuals in my pictures just as those laws protect my right and ability to license my images and thereby financially allow for the creation of future images. More importantly, it is my responsibility to see to it that they are used in the proper context. Wikipedia is a great context, but once they are released there, God only knows what people will think to use them for. These people trusted me with their stories during the most vulnerable times. I am doing my best to make sure their initial intentions in allowing me to photograph them are upheld along with, most importantly, their dignity.

Please see: *Guideline on external links Under "What should be linked:"

• Sites that contain neutral and accurate material that cannot be integrated into the Wikipedia article due to copyright issues, amount of detail (such as professional athlete statistics, movie or television credits, interview transcripts, or online textbooks) or other reasons. • Sites with other meaningful, relevant content that is not suitable for inclusion in an article, such as reviews and interviews.

I have made my argument for my link containing neutral and accurate material about the subject of the article. I still have not heard your argument. I find it strange that you feel them valuable enough to be released for inclusion in the article itself (to help Wikipedia), but my site separate from Wikipedia "does not provide additional in-depth information." I absolutely reject this statement as fact. This is your opinion and I can safely say it is most definitely not shared by the majority of those who view my work.

You initially wrote me, "Maybe you were just honestly trying to raise awareness for the situation in Darfur. This is a noble thing, but Wikipedia is not the place to do it." You are right about my objectives. I do seek to raise awareness, if not the level of debate too. Perhaps I am not understanding you particular use of the phrase "raise awareness" but I thought this was exactly the intention of wikipedia. I could just as justly ask why you are trying to suppress awareness with regard to topics where my body of work is germane and question the nobility in that? Would you agree?

Again, I am asking you to allow my link to remain.

Thank you for hearing my side of the argument. I believe I am being judicial about the links and information I am adding to Wikipedia. I definitely have a wealth of unique and applicable information to share - as do we all.

Thank you for sharing your time ~ ryan

Photo4peace (talk) 18:14, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Darfur Links

In rereading your second notice to me, I see that you are referring only to the link for the Justice and Equality Movement article... I apologize if I came on too strong above as your tone seemed a bit sarcastic initially to me when you complemented my useful contributions. The links I added, were in deed, the very same ones I added the first time, just tagged differently and not uploaded all at once. So I thought you were bringing to issue the very same contributions you were genuinely trying to complement.

In regard to the Justice and Equality Movement link, I feel it is appropriate because the movement, at the end of the day, is made up of individuals. In this case they come from the same region of the world, share the same general ideology, dress similarly, and have similar lifestyles which, currently, are benefiting the movement on a whole. Their collective history put them on this road they are currently on. The shared marginalization and desertified environment yielding the struggle for resources which is at the root cause of their movement. My photographs contain much of this information and therefore is, in my opinion, germane to the article in question. You mentioned looking at my photographs. Did you notice the child with the assault rifle? He is a member of the JEM, which is stated in the caption. This is important information about this movement, which is not presently covered in the article and conveys it in a very non-accusatory manner. This collection of pictures should ultimately ask more questions than it answers, but ultimately this serves the impetus for, inquiry, and expanding knowledge. I see this as a benefit to these specific articles.

I hope this finds you well. Thank you for sharing your time with my work.

~ ryan

Photo4peace (talk) 20:27, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ireland naming question

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Murder of Meredith Kercher

I read your recent talk page comment and sympathise with your sense of despair over this article. Unfortunately, the article is only ever going to improve if there is sufficient consensus of people who have a clear understanding of what an encyclopedia should look like. Please do try to put up with some of the nonsense that is talked on the talk page and continue to edit the article. Cheers. Bluewave (talk) 10:41, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the sentiment, honestly :) Honestly, I keep this article on my watchlist to see that the worst can be prevented. On the other hand, my time for WP is limited, so I rather stick to serious contributions instead of wading through mile-long talk pages, and this is not the most important article ever. I still hope that at some point the Sherlock Holmes Jr.s will find another playground, though. Averell (talk) 17:28, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the reply. Yes you're right: I've wasted way too much time on this article. I've got dozens of articles on my watchlist any of which could probably have been brought up to featured article standard in the same time. Cheers. Bluewave (talk) 18:34, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

MoMK sub-page. Please remember.

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Heroic Age

Looks like you made a number of changes to the Heroic Age anime page - thank you its really looking better. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ToyNN (talk • contribs) 06:12, 10 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Lynn Hill

Thanks for editing the article for NPOV. I noticed the puffery myself but hadn't yet had a chance to edit it. I intend to add some appropriate quotes of praise for her climbing from reliable sources with references, but am working on several other articles at the moment. Cullen328 (talk) 15:09, 21 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If you find stuff that can be referenced, all the better. I know she did some amazing things, but it read like her fan page ;) Averell (talk) 07:03, 22 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

MoMK

As a contributor at the MoMK article and/or talk page, please take a look at the new draft and the draft's talkpage and voice your opinion. Thanks, The Magnificent Clean-keeper (talk) 20:01, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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I am writing in response to the edited I suggested for the medical applications section of the augmented reality page. I would like to contest this discission to remove my edit on the basis that: (1) I have no financial ties pertaining to the peer-reviewed publication, (2) this edit enhances the section of the topic by providing an additional example of the technologies application making it a well rounded article, (3) the edit raises awareness of the feild of anatomic pathology and the critical role pathologists play, especially in the diagnosis, prognosis, and treatment of cancer.

I would like to emphasize I have no financial conflicts pertaining to the edit and I do understand and believe in the importance of an unbiased Wikipedia. Yes, I am an author for the referenced material, but when the topic becomes as specific as the use of augmented reality in surgical pathology gross examination and training, I can count the number of people in this space on one hand. If I didn't write about it then who would?

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