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Meenas and gurjar

Is Meenas and gurjar are same? Prince Marmat (talk) 10:05, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Basically both caste have main occupation is farming and animal husbandry. Both Meenas and gurjar are in majority in Rajasthan. Where Meenas are in Sawai Madhopur, jaipur, dausa, karauli. Where gurjar are in bilwara, jaipur, dausa,bharatpur, and near ajmer. Both caste have their active leader such that meenas have Kirodi lal Meena and gurjar have kirodi baisla. So according to many people Gurjar and Meenas are same caste. they are live like brother. Prince Marmat (talk) 10:11, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Susawat

Reference exists to Susawat (Susawat dynasty) Meenas.[1] Karsan Chanda (talk) 03:53, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dear @RegentsPark: Ji, help me. -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 03:55, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Karsan Chanda: The 1879 gazette is not considered reliable. The reference (named archive below) doesn't talk about Susawat or Alan Singh. The reference (named google book below) says that the much of Meena's history is an attempt to give respectability to the Meenas (in other words, it is made up stuff). The final reference (named Rajasthan government below) is the only one that talks about a Meena king (not Alan Singh but someone else) and, as a government site, it is also not WP:RS. --RegentsPark (comment) 12:14, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Susawat Meena[2] Karsan Chanda (talk) 12:39, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

As I've said before, the chapter about the Meenas in this book says, very clearly, that the Meenas are using folklore to invent a more glamorous history for themselves. You cannot use this book to cite the existence of kings or empires. --RegentsPark (comment) 12:42, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

But a page has been created on Hindi Wikipedia for Susawat Meena.[3] --

What's on the hindi wikipedia has no bearing for what goes here. You need to bring reliable sources to the table. -

References

  1. ^ The Rajputana Gazetteer, Part 2.
  2. ^ The Social and the Symbolic: Volume II.
  3. ^ "Susawat".

Reference

Meena/Mina[1][2][3] -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 09:01, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Archive".
  2. ^ google book.
  3. ^ "Rajasthan government".

Meena Battalion

Meena Battalion[1] -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 07:07, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Meena battalion".

Khogong

Khogong/Khohgang[1] -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 14:13, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

[2][3] -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 08:23, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Where Lakshmi-worship is done across the country on Diwali, at the same time, Shraddha tarpan is done at this place".
  2. ^ Tribe-British Relations in India: Revisiting Text, Perspective and Approach.
  3. ^ Rajasthan, Part 2.

Category Add

Category:Scheduled Tribes of Rajasthan Karsan Chanda (talk) 07:21, 8 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Meena history

Meena history.[1][2] -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 10:23, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Myth: The secret of the tradition of this stepwell is revealed, then Meena has lost her life".
  2. ^ "Such were the watchmen of Jaipur, the son's head was also penned to protect the treasure".

Chanda dynasty

Alan Singh.[1] -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 13:48, 8 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Amer Fort: Know about some interesting facts related to Amer Fort".

Meena Empire

Can I write an article on Meena Empire?[1] -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 08:04, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

[2][3][4] -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 06:26, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Ethnic Groups of South Asia and the Pacific: An Encyclopedia: An Encyclopedia.
  2. ^ Living Traditions: Studies in the Ethnoarchaeology of South Asia.
  3. ^ The Indian Journal of Social Work, Volume 57.
  4. ^ Monuments of India, Volume 1.

Amber Fort built by Meena dynasty

@Bonadea: Ji, the part you have removed. What was the problem with that part? -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 10:49, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It did not have a reliable source. The source you added is a book about tourism, not a scholarly source about history, and it is written in an English that's almost incomprehensible. --bonadea contributions talk 22:26, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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2405:205:1285:A810:4BEB:8450:1EB1:D5AC (talk) 19:39, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Architecture

The Amber Fort at Amber, India is the most famous example of Meena Architecture and one of India's most recognisable landmarks in general.

The historical Amber Fort was founded by Alan Singh Chanda, the ruler of the Meena dynasty.[1]

 Not done Not a reliable source, and it doesn't even say that Alan Singh had the fort built. (Not quite sure what it does say, it is almost impossible to understand.)
Please log in to edit, User:Karsan Chanda. --bonadea contributions talk 22:29, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Strategies for Promoting Sustainable Hospitality and Tourism Services.

Source

Minas.[1] -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 19:13, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Meena.[2] -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 06:36, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Bonadea: What is the problem with this book? Please kindly let me know. -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 06:52, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Meena[3] Karsan Chanda (talk) 13:28, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@RegentsPark: According to this book the Meenas are the third largest tribal group in India.[4] -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 14:27, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Karsan Chanda: The short description should then have said "Third largest tribal ..." rather than "Third tribal". The size doesn't seem important for the short description anyway, so I'd just leave it out. --RegentsPark (comment) 22:03, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I took a look at the source and it is saying that the Bhil are the third largest tribal group and that Meenas are a subgroup of the Bhil. So, third is not correct anyway. --RegentsPark (comment) 22:04, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@AndyTheGrump: Is this source not reliable? -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 11:35, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Meena Itiyas -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 11:37, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If you are referring to my recent deletion, [1] I removed it because it is utter nonsense. Proto-Dravidian is a hypothetical root language, from millennia ago. It is not an ethnicity. AndyTheGrump (talk) 11:40, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@AndyTheGrump: You didn't answer me. -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 12:08, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Since I can't read the source, I've no idea whether it is reliable for anything. It cannot possibly be reliable for a statement that the Meenas are Proto-Dravidian though, if it actually suggests that. The statement is simply nonsensical. An ethnic group cannot be a hypothetical root language, and vice versa. AndyTheGrump (talk) 12:18, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@AndyTheGrump: Thanks for explaining. Karsan Chanda (talk) 12:52, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@AndyTheGrump: Can you tell me through the book "People of India: Delhi", what has been written about the Meenas in this book? -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 13:11, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If you think the book is a valid source, you need to read it yourself. AndyTheGrump (talk) 13:49, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@AndyTheGrump: I don't know english language. -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 14:38, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

How are you able to edit articles then? AndyTheGrump (talk) 14:46, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@AndyTheGrump: transliteration method. -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 15:15, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Are you using Google Translate or something similar? AndyTheGrump (talk) 15:55, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@AndyTheGrump: Yes. Karsan Chanda (talk) 00:43, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In which case, you really shouldn't be trying to edit articles in English. At least, not ones on subjects that require being able to understand complex sources, and being able to explain what they say in your own words. AndyTheGrump (talk) 00:58, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@AndyTheGrump: That's why I'm asking for your help. Karsan Chanda (talk) 01:14, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I can't help you. Editing the English-language Wikipedia requires some competence in the language it is written in. If you can't read English, and you can't Write English, you shouldn't be trying. Machine translation just isn't good enough, and you can't expect other people to explain everything to you - not if you are trying to use machine translation to communicate with them.
I don't know what your first language is, but Wikipedia has versions in many languages: have you considered editing one in a language you are fluent in? AndyTheGrump (talk) 03:27, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Criminal Tribes Act,1871 and Meena Caste

In India, the British made the Criminal Tribes Act and the local British officials of the states of India included the Meena caste in the Criminal Tribes Act.

Criminal Tribes Act,1871, State and Meena Caste[5][6]
State Notified
Patiala and East Punjab States Union Yes
Rajasthan Yes
Punjab Yes
Maharashtra No
Madhaya Pradesh No
Delhi No

[5][6]

After the independence of India, the Act was repealed in 1949 and the Meena caste along with other castes was denotified by the Act. In 2005, the Government of India established the National Commission for Denotified, Nomadic, Semi Nomadic Tribes (NCDNST) and states included Meena caste in the DNST category as follows

Meena Caste and DTNST Category of States[5][6]
State Included in DTNST Category
Rajasthan No
Punjab Yes
Hariyana Yes
Maharashtra No
Madhya pradesh No
Delhi Yes

[7][8]

Category

Meena caste is mainly located in the states of North India, Meena caste has been included in different categories by different states of India, the list of states is as follows -

State wise categories of Meena caste[9][10]
State Category Entry number in the state list entry number in the Mandal list
Delhi Other backward caste 40 66
Hariyana Other backward caste 62 57
Maharashtra Other backward caste 98 169
Rajasthan Scheduled Tribe 09 -

[9][10]

  • Madhya Pradesh - Meena caste was included in the Scheduled Tribe category in Vidisha subdivision of Sinroj district in Madhya Pradesh, which was removed after 01-jan-2003 Gazette notification of the Government of India.[11]"At present, Meena (Rawat) is included in the OBC class of the country (data-entry number: 19)"[9]Rest all 'Meena' are included in the unreserved category.[9][10][11]

[Note-1. Meena caste is not included in any reserved category of Uttar Pradesh, Bihar and other states. 2.Punjab includes only DNST category.][9][10] [11][12][13]

  1. ^ "Les civilisations de l'Inde".
  2. ^ "Annals and antiquities of Rajast'han, or the central and western Rajpoot state of India".
  3. ^ Human Rights and Legal Pluralism.
  4. ^ Human Rights and Legal Pluralism.
  5. ^ a b c "Draft of Denotified Tribes,Nomadic Tribes and Semi-Nomadic Tribes of India". identify and prepare state-wise lists of DNT/NT. miniatry of social justice and empowerment,india. Archived from the original on 2020-08-25. Retrieved 2022-04-14.
  6. ^ a b c "Draft list of Denotified Tribes,Nomadic Tribes and Semi-Nomadic Tribes of India". identify and prepare state-wise lists of DNT/NT. miniatry of social justice and empowerment,india. Retrieved 2022-04-14.
  7. ^ "Draft of Denotified Tribes,Nomadic Tribes and Semi-Nomadic Tribes of India". identify and prepare state-wise lists of DNT/NT. miniatry of social justice and empowerment,india. Archived from the original on 2020-08-20. Retrieved 2022-04-14.
  8. ^ "another site for Draft list of Denotified Tribes,Nomadic Tribes and Semi-Nomadic Tribes of India". identify and prepare state-wise lists of DNT/NT. miniatry of social justice and empowerment,india. Retrieved 2022-04-14.
  9. ^ a b c d e "केंद्रीय अन्य पिछड़ा वर्ग सूची". social justice . National Commission for Backward Classes. Archived from the original on 2022-02-23. Retrieved 2022-04-13.
  10. ^ a b c d "अनुसूचित जनजातियों की नवीनतम अनुसूची" (PDF). Tribal affair. Ministry of Tribal Affairs - Government of India. Archived (PDF) from the original on 2022-01-31. Retrieved 2022-04-13.
  11. ^ a b c "Govt of India Gezette notification dated 08-jan-2003/The Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes Orders(Amendment) Act,2002". Reschedule order of caste under scheduled Tribe. miniatry of law and justice,india. Retrieved 2022-04-16.
  12. ^ "another site for Draft list of DNST of India". identify and prepare state-wise lists of DNT/NT. miniatry of social justice and empowerment,govt of india. Retrieved 2022-04-14.
  13. ^ "Draft list of Denotified Tribes,Nomadic Tribes and Semi-Nomadic Tribes of India". identify and prepare state-wise lists of DNT/NT. miniatry of social justice and empowerment,india. Archived from the original on 2020-08-25. Retrieved 2022-04-14.

Are both Meena tribe and Matsya tribe same?

Matsya (tribe) -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 09:43, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

yes they are same , bhill and meena are same and they are ancestor of matsya tribe click here to see Sanju baiplawat (talk) 11:06, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@RegentsPark: Help. -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 09:48, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

yes check here Sanju baiplawat (talk) 11:06, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Rahul780Aa (talk) 08:43, 5 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Change photos of meenas Rahul780Aa (talk) 08:43, 5 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: Please provide an image with an acceptable license. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 02:39, 6 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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remove that mina are sub group of bhill Mohnish123 (talk) 18:41, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. This statement is currently cited with Sezgin, Yuksel (2011). Human Rights and Legal Pluralism. ISBN 9783643999054 TGHL ↗ 🍁 19:46, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

यूपी में मीणा

यूपी में मीणा सामान्य वर्ग में शामिल है। यूपी के मेरठ, बुलंदशहर, जहांगीरपुरा, मथुरा आदि शहरों में मीणा पाए जाते है। यूपी में मीणा ठाकुर उपाधि से विभूषित है। Rahul780Aa (talk) 08:42, 9 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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यूपी में मीणा सामान्य वर्ग में शामिल है। यूपी के मेरठ, बुलंदशहर, जहांगीरपुरा, मथुरा आदि शहरों में मीणा पाए जाते है। यूपी में मीणा ठाकुर उपाधि से विभूषित है

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 09:27, 9 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Brahmin worship system

I believe the reference provided here #10 is not correctly linked. The pages number is missing. Moderators should review the citation and provide appropriate links. VediKboy (talk) 05:14, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Notable people as Indian Judges

An addition to the information could be in relation to Indian judges such as Former Chief Justice Y. R. Meena and Justice Ganesh Ram Meena Vaibhav Ram Kumar (talk) 11:22, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Meenas are a sub-group of Bhils.

@Dympies: Why do you feel it is necessary to change this? -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 15:27, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Karsan Chanda, As per more recent sources already cited in the article like the following, Meena is a distinct tribe similar to Bhils; it isn't talked of as a Bhil sub-group:
As per the Rajasthan government's list of Scheduled tribes, Meena, Bhil and Bhil Meena are listed as three different communities. There is no point in sticking to the KS Singh's Govinda Chandra Rath's definition. Dympies (talk) 18:17, 26 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The "sub-divisions" section of the article reads :

As part of a sanskritisation process, some Bhils present themselves as Meenas, who hold a higher socio-economic status compared to the Bhil tribal people.[1]

This too implies that Bhil is a distinct community and its ritual status is somewhat lower to Meenas. Tagging Karsan Chanda. Dympies (talk) 17:52, 1 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]


References

References

  1. ^ Majhi, Anita Srivastava (2010). Tribal Culture, Continuity, and Change: A Study of Bhils in Rajasthan. Mittal. p. 127. ISBN 978-8-18324-298-1.

Indian history congress

@Admantine123: Can you describe how its a WP:RS for this subject? How we can verify expertise of author who wrote the content on this source? Dympies (talk) 17:19, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The Indian History Congress sources were used on other articles as well and it is generally considered a good source. It was concluded earlier in a discussion. If you can't access the content, then there are other way to demand the verifiably. You can tag it as quote needed. Also, I don't think that the sentence you removed was suspicious, if it has been suspicious, then we may have doubted the intention of editor putting that source there. Please note, JSTOR is itself a collection of scholarly journals. Hence, source 2 used there is highly reliable.Also seems to be satisfying Historical Scholarship.Admantine123 (talk) 19:14, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

WP:LEAD

This sentence "It used to be claimed they speak Mina language, a spurious language." has no coverage in the body of the article, which is bad WP-writing. If the sources are good, it can be moved from lead to body, or kept in lead but expanded on in the body. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:40, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Abhishekjorwal16 (talk) 13:35, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Change the image you used that Meenas are lower caste Hindu's.... Otherwise I'll take legal action on it..

See Wikipedia:No legal threats. If that wasn't such an utterly absurd threat, I'd report it. Which would immediately result in you being blocked from editing. AndyTheGrump (talk) 14:28, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done: your legal threats have been noted. M.Bitton (talk) 14:50, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Meena and bhils are different castes and Meenas are not a lower Hindu Caste.

Meenas and bhils are district castes. Meenas are not a lower hindu caste https://sansad.in/poi. They are descendants of Lord MahaVishnu's Matsya Avtar. Meenas were actually a ruling community ruled amer or amber kingdom and bundi before rajputs. Rajasthan education minister had already confirmed that Bundi is named on the Name of Tribal chief Bunda Meena and amer or amber was founded by Alan Singh Chanda ( Meena King ) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Fort. If you not change your article than I will take strict legal action against you under cultural and religious freedom act. Abhishekjorwal16 (talk) 13:55, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

See Wikipedia:No legal threats. If that wasn't such an utterly absurd threat, I'd report it. Which would immediately result in you being blocked from editing. AndyTheGrump (talk) 14:29, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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[[2]]

Meena is one of the oldest castes in india. They ruled major parts of Rajasthan before Rajputs. They are mainly found in state's of Rajasthan, Madhya Pradesh,Uttar Pradesh,Haryana,Punjab and Maharashtra. Mexyza (talk) 15:52, 27 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. DreamRimmer (talk) 21:00, 27 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Self-published sources are not considered reliable. DreamRimmer (talk) 21:02, 27 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Meenas are the ruling caste of rajasthan before rajputs.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber,_India#:~:text=Amber%20was%20a%20Meena%20state,Bargurjar%20Rajput%20Raja%20of%20Deoti.
Meenas are not a lower class hinoos. They are warrior caste.
https://vikaspedia.in/social-welfare/scheduled-tribes-welfare/scheduled-tribes-in-india
https://www.quora.com/How-can-I-be-an-ST-and-be-a-Brahmin/answer/Saurabh-Tomar-25?ch=17&oid=51611639&share=5f3de910&srid=uy8Bx&target_type=answer
please remove that they are lower class hindoos in reservation section. And also change the photos of Meena's. The photos you used are not of Meena's they are of bhils. And bhil and meenas are different community.
https://sje.rajasthan.gov.in/Default.aspx?PageID=66 Nikurggggg (talk) 17:58, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Multiple Inaccuracies

Firstly, Meena And bhil Mina are two different tribes and cannot be termed as subgroup of and another. Check the official categorization here on of the state government - https://sje.rajasthan.gov.in/Default.aspx?PageID=66


And reservation is based on the fact they were tribes and not that they were low caste.

https://vikaspedia.in/social-welfare/scheduled-tribes-welfare/scheduled-tribes-in-india


And you can see in this post that high-caste people can be ST and in lot of places in India Bhramins are also in ST. And meenas have back in past been ruler of Rajasthan, they are actually a warrior, farming tibe. https://www.quora.com/How-can-I-be-an-ST-and-be-a-Brahmin/answer/Saurabh-Tomar-25?ch=17&oid=51611639&share=5f3de910&srid=uy8Bx&target_type=answer


Kindly remove that photo mentioning low caste hindoos, under reservation section as caste don't play any role in getting reservation. Meenas reservation is based on tribal status. And that photo is of british era. Meenas were part of 42nd deoli regiment and also had waged war/ mutiny against the British demonic rule, so the British had no incentive of portraying them as good and therefore pointed out them as low caste hindoos. Kindly remove that picture or give proper analysis as it denigrades the image of Meena community. TheRealAnalysis (talk) 05:36, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

https://books.google.co.in/books?id=a7BBAYDfoAIC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=true
Kindly make these changes-
1) Only a certain caste of Meenas were denotified as criminals, that is Chowkidar Meenas(mina) and not other ones.
2) Bhill and Meenas are two different tribes, i have earlier given government articles… now i am going to post a book source with detailed study, reaffirming the same. And in that you would find that Meenas are high in socio-hierarchy. (Pg 99 top paragraph)
3)Kindly remove that low caste hindoos picture, as that is not right, meenas as a tribe has many sub clans, so that picture is not doing justice, as at that time chowkidar meenas particularly were at fight against britishers and so someone clicked pictures in Delhi in 1880s, where as meenas are natively from Rajasthan which is like 300 Km, so at that time the photographer taker might mistakenly notified them as low caste hindoos and also since the chowkidar meenas were in mutiny against britisher. So kindly take that down, it is wrong.
In the book page number 102 first paragraph you will find clearly that Meenas smoke and eat together with Jats and Gurjars. Also have acceptance in clean higher caste system.
TheRealAnalysis (talk) 05:50, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Why no one is replying to authentic sources now? TheRealAnalysis (talk) 20:11, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Meenas are not a lower caste. Can you change the photos and pictures of meenas Nikurggggg (talk) 17:45, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. DreamRimmer (talk) 18:13, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Can you change the picture of Meena's in this article?? 

And also change tha they are lower caste they ruled rajasthan before rajputs

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber, India Nikurggggg (talk) 17:51, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. DreamRimmer (talk) 18:14, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khoh
http://meenawiki.com/cgi-sys/suspendedpage.cgi Nikurggggg (talk) 18:36, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Multiple corrections

Meena and bhil are different community as you can see in link below

https://sje.rajasthan.gov.in/Default.aspx?PageID=66

Change

Meena is a sub-group of Bhils, an ethnic group in western India. It used to be claimed they speak Mina language.

To

Meena's were the ruling caste of Rajasthan, Who ruled in many regions of Rajasthan.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khoh

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Fort

http://meenawiki.com/cgi-sys/suspendedpage.cgi

And also there is no relation in lower and upper caste to reservation. And meenas are not a lower caste.

In caste reservation section

Change

Meenas, lower class of hindoos

To

Meena a caste of rajasthan

http://meenawiki.com/cgi-sys/suspendedpage.cgi

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khoh Nikurggggg (talk) 18:32, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Wikis, including Wikipedia, are not reliable sources as they are user generated. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:35, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
https://www.drishtiias.com/daily-updates/daily-news-analysis/amagarh-fort-rajasthan/print_manually Nikurggggg (talk) 18:40, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
ans=no
https://www.drishtiias.com/daily-updates/daily-news-analysis/amagarh-fort-rajasthan/print_manually
It is an reliable source Nikurggggg (talk) 18:46, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I don’t know if you would consider widely published books as authentic, because British writer TOD himself wrote how meenas were a martial clan and rajputs treacherously took away there kingdom.
Anyways here is the new source-
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The book "Culture and Integration of India Tribes" by R.S.Mann mentions that Meenas are considered as a Kshatriya caste equally as Rajputs, and having higher social status in the society. They are well integrated with other higher castes like Rajputs, Brahmins etc. Brahmins perform all rituals from birth, marriage and death for Meenas like for any other higher Hindu caste.
https://books.google.co.in/books?id=a7BBAYDfoAIC&lpg=PP1&vq=Kshatriya%20caste&pg=PA99#v=onepage&q=Mina&f=true TheRealAnalysis (talk) 19:36, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I don’t think above source would leave any doubt, and kindly remove that low caste hindoos picture, that is wrong. And also from the source you can see bhil are different tribe. Kindly don’t mix two big tribes like this, this is gross injustice of correct widely known true information.
https://books.google.co.in/books?id=a7BBAYDfoAIC&lpg=PP1&vq=Kshatriya%20caste&pg=PA99#v=onepage&q=Mina&f=true TheRealAnalysis (talk) 19:38, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
https://books.google.co.in/books?id=a7BBAYDfoAIC&lpg=PP1&vq=Kshatriya%20caste&pg=PA99#v=onepage&q=Mina&f=true
page number 99, kindly have a read and edit the above changes. Thankyou and I hope to see changes this time. TheRealAnalysis (talk) 19:50, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Kindly make these changes-
1) Only a certain caste of Meenas were denotified as criminals, that is Chowkidar Meenas(mina) and not other ones.
2) Bhill and Meenas are two different tribes, i have earlier given government articles… now i am going to post a book source with detailed study, reaffirming the same. And in that you would find that Meenas are high in socio-hierarchy. (Pg 99 top paragraph)
3)Kindly remove that low caste hindoos picture, as that is not right, meenas as a tribe has many sub clans, so that picture is not doing justice, as at that time chowkidar meenas particularly were at fight against britishers and so someone clicked pictures in Delhi in 1880s, where as meenas are natively from Rajasthan which is like 300 Km, so at that time the photographer taker might mistakenly notified them as low caste hindoos and also since the chowkidar meenas were in mutiny against britisher. So kindly take that down, it is wrong.
In the book page number 102 first paragraph you will find clearly that Meenas smoke and eat together with Jats and Gurjars. Also have acceptance in clean higher caste system. TheRealAnalysis (talk) 20:33, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
https://books.google.co.in/books?id=a7BBAYDfoAIC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=true
Kindly make these changes-
1) Only a certain caste of Meenas were denotified as criminals, that is Chowkidar Meenas(mina) and not other ones.
2) Bhill and Meenas are two different tribes, i have earlier given government articles… now i am going to post a book source with detailed study, reaffirming the same. And in that you would find that Meenas are high in socio-hierarchy. (Pg 99 top paragraph)
3)Kindly remove that low caste hindoos picture, as that is not right, meenas as a tribe has many sub clans, so that picture is not doing justice, as at that time chowkidar meenas particularly were at fight against britishers and so someone clicked pictures in Delhi in 1880s, where as meenas are natively from Rajasthan which is like 300 Km, so at that time the photographer taker might mistakenly notified them as low caste hindoos and also since the chowkidar meenas were in mutiny against britisher. So kindly take that down, it is wrong.
In the book page number 102 first paragraph you will find clearly that Meenas smoke and eat together with Jats and Gurjars. Also have acceptance in clean higher caste system.
TheRealAnalysis (talk) 20:35, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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I belong to Meena community and i saw that this article is spreading wrong information about my meena community. So tell me the procedure to delete or re-edit this page Nikurggggg (talk) 18:54, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It is highly unlikely the page will be deleted. If you would like to suggest specific changes, please list them as you did here in a "change X to Y" format. Tollens (talk) 21:54, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong information about my community

Hello

My name is Rohit Meena

I belong to Meena community. I had read this whole article and I found that this article is spreading totally wrong information about my community. So please re-edit or delete this article.

I am providing some reliable sources and requesting you to re-edit or delete this article.

All the sources are reliable which I provided.

Here is the list of edits-

1. Meena is not a sub group of bhils. Meena and bhil are different community.

https://sje.rajasthan.gov.in/Default.aspx?PageID=66

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Meena is a sub-group of Bhils, an ethnic group in western India.It used to be claimed they speak Mina language.

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Meena is a ruling and warrior[ Kshtriya ] caste. They ruled many regions in Rajasthan before Rajputs.

https://indianmeena.wordpress.com/2019/12/07/main-kingdoms-of-meenas/

https://www.drishtiias.com/daily-updates/daily-news-analysis/amagarh-fort-rajasthan/print_manually

2. Meena is not a lower caste. Remove the image from reservation section that Meena's,Hindoos of lower caste. And calling Meena's hindoos of lower caste also goes against SC/ST Act 1989. https://www.indiacode.nic.in/handle/123456789/1920?sam_handle=123456789/1362

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Remove the image from Reservation section as it goes against SC/ST Act 1989.

To

The Meena fall into the Scheduled Tribe category in the state of Rajasthan and the majority of them are classified as being Hindu, but in Madhya Pradesh Meena are recognised as a Scheduled Tribe only in Sironj Tehsil, Vidisha, while in the other 44 districts of the state they are categorised as Other Backward Classes.It has been proposed that the Meenas be fully recognised as a Scheduled Tribe in Madhya Pradesh. The proposal is being considered by the Government of India. In Uttar Pradesh, Meena are considered migrated from Rajasthan and have been living in western districts of Mathura, Sambhal and Budaun since many generations. At par their origin they are granted a Scheduled tribe status in the state of Uttar Pradesh. In Haryana they are classified as Other Backward Classes.In Maharashtra also Meenas come under the Other Backward Classes.

In Rajasthan, the Meena caste members oppose the entry of Gurjars into Scheduled Tribe fold, fearing that their own share of Scheduled Tribe reservation benefits will be eroded.

They celebrate Meenesh Jayanti on the third day of the Chaitra month's Shukla paksha. Rohitys (talk) 02:46, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: Likely sockpuppetry behaviour, SPI filed. -Lemonaka‎ 09:08, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 May 2023

Firstly, Meena And bhil Mina are two different tribes and cannot be termed as subgroup of and another. Check the official categorization here on of the state government - https://sje.rajasthan.gov.in/Default.aspx?PageID=66


And reservation is based on the fact they were tribes and not that they were low caste.

https://vikaspedia.in/social-welfare/scheduled-tribes-welfare/scheduled-tribes-in-india


And you can see in this post that high-caste people can be ST and in lot of places in India Bhramins are also in ST. And meenas have back in past been ruler of Rajasthan, they are actually a warrior, farming tibe. https://www.quora.com/How-can-I-be-an-ST-and-be-a-Brahmin/answer/Saurabh-Tomar-25?ch=17&oid=51611639&share=5f3de910&srid=uy8Bx&target_type=answer


Kindly remove that photo mentioning low caste hindoos, under reservation section as caste don't play any role in getting reservation. Meenas reservation is based on tribal status. And that photo is of british era. Meenas were part of 42nd deoli regiment and also had waged war/ mutiny against the British demonic rule, so the British had no incentive of portraying them as good and therefore pointed out them as low caste hindoos. Kindly remove that picture or give proper analysis as it denigrades the image of Meena community. Rohitys (talk) 04:23, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: Likely sockpuppetry behaviour, SPI filed. -Lemonaka‎ 09:09, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 May 2023 (2)

I belong to Meena community. I had read this whole article and I found that this article is spreading totally wrong information about my community. So please re-edit or delete this article.

I am providing some reliable sources and requesting you to re-edit or delete this article.


Here is the list what to edit-

1. Meena is not a sub group of bhils. Meena and bhil are different community.

https://sje.rajasthan.gov.in/Default.aspx?PageID=66

Change

Meena is a sub-group of Bhils, an ethnic group in western India.It used to be claimed they speak Mina language.

To

Meena is a ruling and warrior[ Kshtriya ] caste. They ruled many regions in Rajasthan before Rajputs.

https://indianmeena.wordpress.com/2019/12/07/main-kingdoms-of-meenas/

https://www.drishtiias.com/daily-updates/daily-news-analysis/amagarh-fort-rajasthan/print_manually

2. Meena is not a lower caste. Remove the image from reservation section that Meena's,Hindoos of lower caste. And calling Meena's hindoos of lower caste also goes against SC/ST Act 1989. https://www.indiacode.nic.in/handle/123456789/1920?sam_handle=123456789/1362

Change

Remove the image from Reservation section as it goes against SC/ST Act 1989.

To

The Meena fall into the Scheduled Tribe category in the state of Rajasthan and the majority of them are classified as being Hindu, but in Madhya Pradesh Meena are recognised as a Scheduled Tribe only in Sironj Tehsil, Vidisha, while in the other 44 districts of the state they are categorised as Other Backward Classes.It has been proposed that the Meenas be fully recognised as a Scheduled Tribe in Madhya Pradesh. The proposal is being considered by the Government of India. In Uttar Pradesh, Meena are considered migrated from Rajasthan and have been living in western districts of Mathura, Sambhal and Budaun since many generations. At par their origin they are granted a Scheduled tribe status in the state of Uttar Pradesh. In Haryana they are classified as Other Backward Classes.In Maharashtra also Meenas come under the Other Backward Classes.

In Rajasthan, the Meena caste members oppose the entry of Gurjars into Scheduled Tribe fold, fearing that their own share of Scheduled Tribe reservation benefits will be eroded.

They celebrate Meenesh Jayanti on the third day of the Chaitra month's Shukla paksha. 152.58.185.45 (talk) 12:04, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: Suspected sockpuppet, report filed ARandomName123 (talk) 22:24, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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calling meenas hindoos of lower caste voilets sc/st act 1989. https://www.indiacode.nic.in/handle/123456789/1920?sam_handle=123456789/1362

so please remove that image from reservation section. Misterherooo (talk) 05:56, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: Suspected sockpuppet, report filed. DreamRimmer (talk) 07:39, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
https://books.google.co.in/books?id=a7BBAYDfoAIC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=true
Kindly make these changes-
1) Only a certain caste of Meenas were denotified as criminals, that is Chowkidar Meenas(mina) and not other ones.
2) Bhill and Meenas are two different tribes, i have earlier given government articles… now i am going to post a book source with detailed study, reaffirming the same. And in that you would find that Meenas are high in socio-hierarchy. (Pg 99 top paragraph)
3)Kindly remove that low caste hindoos picture, as that is not right, meenas as a tribe has many sub clans, so that picture is not doing justice, as at that time chowkidar meenas particularly were at fight against britishers and so someone clicked pictures in Delhi in 1880s, where as meenas are natively from Rajasthan which is like 300 Km, so at that time the photographer taker might mistakenly notified them as low caste hindoos and also since the chowkidar meenas were in mutiny against britisher. So kindly take that down, it is wrong.
In the book page number 102 first paragraph you will find clearly that Meenas smoke and eat together with Jats and Gurjars. Also have acceptance in clean higher caste system.
TheRealAnalysis (talk) 20:12, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 May 2023 (2)

The image you are using is of bhil meenas not meenas And both community are different. https://sje.rajasthan.gov.in/Default.aspx?PageID=66

Please edit

Change EMuseumPlus (2).jpg to RegiMeena.jpg

All source are reliable. Please edit Immortalgully (talk) 06:18, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: Suspected sockpuppet, report filed. -Lemonaka‎ 08:58, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
https://books.google.co.in/books?id=a7BBAYDfoAIC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=true
Kindly make these changes-
1) Only a certain caste of Meenas were denotified as criminals, that is Chowkidar Meenas(mina) and not other ones.
2) Bhill and Meenas are two different tribes, i have earlier given government articles… now i am going to post a book source with detailed study, reaffirming the same. And in that you would find that Meenas are high in socio-hierarchy. (Pg 99 top paragraph)
3)Kindly remove that low caste hindoos picture, as that is not right, meenas as a tribe has many sub clans, so that picture is not doing justice, as at that time chowkidar meenas particularly were at fight against britishers and so someone clicked pictures in Delhi in 1880s, where as meenas are natively from Rajasthan which is like 300 Km, so at that time the photographer taker might mistakenly notified them as low caste hindoos and also since the chowkidar meenas were in mutiny against britisher. So kindly take that down, it is wrong.
In the book page number 102 first paragraph you will find clearly that Meenas smoke and eat together with Jats and Gurjars. Also have acceptance in clean higher caste system.
TheRealAnalysis (talk) 20:12, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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