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Use of English

In 1460 the Swiss Confederacy conquered the Thurgau, Konstanz's natural hinterland. Konstanz then made an attempt to get admitted to the Swiss Confederacy, but the forest cantons voted against its entry, fearing an overmight of the city cantons. Konstanz then entered the Swabian League instead. In the Swabian War of 1499, Konstanz lost its last privileges over the Thurgau to the Confederation.

Couple of questions

1. What is 'overmight'? I suspect 'overmight' is a direct translation from German - should we consider [b]fearing overbearing city cantons[/b] instead? Also English readers may not be familiar with [b]Canton[/b] so could "City State" be used instead?

2. What is 'The Thurgau"? Okay I know Thurgau is a Swiss canton - consider using just "Thurgau" (droping 'the') or use "the Thurgau region" maybe?

New Wording

In 1460 the Swiss Confederacy conquered Thurgau, Konstanz's natural hinterland. Konstanz then made an attempt to get admitted to the Swiss Confederacy, but the forest cantons voted against its entry, fearing over-bearing city states; Konstanz then entered the Swabian League instead. In the Swabian War of 1499, Konstanz lost its last privileges over Thurgau to the Confederation.

DamienLaughton 16:15, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Munich is not really close (by European measures) from Konstanz, so referring someone who does not like the slow pace of life in Konstanz to Munich is somehow not related to the town Konstanz. Dub4u 20:32, 5 Sep 2004 (UTC)

The Swabian War was 1499. See Old Swiss Confederacy#Further expansion, last paragraph, for a brief summary of the events surrounding the Thurgau in 1460. Also note that Konstanz kept exercising the higher jurisdiction over the Thurgau until 1499 (see Swabian War). Lupo 11:12, 30 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

its 3-4 hours by carKarlJun (talk) 23:39, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for pointing that out. I think it should be correct now. Zirk 13:15, 30 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Reformation

The article currently (06:59, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)) reads "However, in 1548 Emperor Charles V imposed the Imperial Ban on Konstanz and it had to surrender to Habsburg Austria which had immediately attacked. Thus, Konstanz lost its status as imperial city as well as the last remainder of its former glory."

That needs references (as does the article in general). What were the sources for that "History" section?
Hadn't Konstanz been a member of the Schmalkaldic League?
Did Charles V ban Konstanz or the members of the Schmalkaldic League in general?
The mention of "Habsburg Austria", which links to Austria, is somewhat misleading. Charles V was a Habsburg emperor.
What's that stuff about "former glory"?

Lupo 06:59, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The main source for the History section is the German Wikipedia article. Is there a special place for sources? I haven't figured that out yet.
Konstanz entered the Schmalkaldic League in 1531
Konstanz was banned because it refused to accept the terms of the Augsburg Interim unlike the other members of the Schmalkaldic League. It was attacked the August 6, the day after the ban had been pronounced.
Konstanz was attacked by Austria which at that time was ruled by Charles V's brother Ferdinand and not by the Holy Roman Emperor.
In the Middle Ages Konstanz had interregional importance for trade and linen production.

Zirk 11:15, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Change Constance redirect

The article Constance redirects to Konstanz (in English formerly known as Constance). Given all the other equally likely possibilities, should this be the main article? I am suggesting it be changed to Constance (disambiguation) instead. Senator2029║talk 13:25, 20 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest we moved the page to Constance as wished by Senator2029. The name of the city in English is Constance. Albeit official, "Konstanz" is the German version. In our English history lessons, we learned about the "Battle of Lake Constance" (15 BC), the "Council of Constance" etc. 14:27, 11.07.2017 (UTC). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.249.133.128 (talk)

Requested move 5 September 2020

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The result of the move request was: Withdrawn as nominator. Lead updated by Þjarkur to reflect Constance not being the only English usage. Apologies for causing a visceral reaction from a good faith attempt to right a title/lead that looked off in an area I'm not an expert. —Bagumba (talk) 01:41, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Konstanz → Constance – Constance already redirects here as a WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. The article's lead sentence says Constance is the English name, and this is English Wikipedia. If it's no longer the common English name, the lead should say something like it's a historical name. —Bagumba (talk) 03:06, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment It would helpful if the proposer provided some evidence of common use themselves, rather than ask others for it. Walrasiad (talk) 05:43, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Have a nice day too.—Bagumba (talk) 17:32, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - Yes, I realize it could sound a little snippy, so I removed it. But my point still stands. If you're going to propose an RM, the least you can do is present the case for it. Walrasiad (talk) 22:02, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose, these are all the recent non-lake, non-university mentions I could find in BBC and NYTimes:

Konstanz [1][2][3][4][5][6][7]

Constance [8][9]

So Constance is used and is not historical, but it really does seem that Konstanz is the more commonly used one (from this limited sample of two sources). – Thjarkur (talk) 19:01, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per BBC in 2017 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40767954 etc etc etc. The nom is correct "the lead should say something like it's a historical name", yes, it should, or in fact that Constance is the French name. So edit the lead, don't post a RM. BTW @Þjarkur: your first "Constance" source is the Lake, which is usually in French. In ictu oculi (talk) 21:08, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Source also mentions "To the city of Constance" [10], but yes may be influenced by the surrounding lake discussion) – Thjarkur (talk) 23:40, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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