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Job Training Partnership Act was proposed for deletion. This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was KEEP as a redirect.

This article could be valid under another name, but currently it is misleading and incorrect. The article is about a program run by the Northern California Indian Development Council (NCIDC). This program, it seems, used to go by the name "Job Training Partnership Act", named for the program which funded it, the Job Training Partnership Act of 1982 (JTPA). However, this act was repealed by the Workforce Investment Act of 1998 (WIA), and by looking at the external page referred to in the article, the program seems to go by the WIA name.

I was originally looking over this for cleanup, but after I realized how off it was, I ultimately decided on deletion. An article could be created about the program, but it certainly should not go by the name of a repealed Act of Congress. Also, the text of the article was basically copied and pasted from the linked webpage previously referred to.

I would be happy to cleanup the article if a sysop would like to change the name to something more appropriate, but as it is, it should be deleted. Skyler 03:06, Aug 4, 2004 (UTC)

  • Keep. Clean-up, wikify, and rename if necessary, but it seems like good historical information. There are articles on plenty of other repealed laws/acts on WP. -- Netoholic 03:49, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • I do think it is valid to keep articles on repealed acts on WP. In fact, I love it because of its history (and I enjoy learning about legislation). However, this article is not about the actual Act. To make everyone happy, I will be adding an article about the Workforce Investment Act of 1998 (the act that repealed JTPA) and edit the current Job Training Partnership Act to reflect information about the repealed Act and to direct users to the new Act that repealed it. I will also post this solution on the discussion page for the JTPA article and wait 3 days until I edit it for proper objections to be stated. Hopefully, this will save everyone some time and trouble. Thank you for your comments. Skyler 11:45, Aug 4, 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete: I would much prefer a new article from Skyler than to attempt to salvage this. Geogre 04:21, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • I will wikify what is there now under a new article name (hopefully today) and post the new title. Right now I am thinking of simply putting it under Northern California Indian Development Council and listing JTPA as one of its major programs. This will make the user who wanted it here in the first place happy because it will be more appropriately titled and look nicer and will make me happy by not directing people to what they think is an article about an actual Act of U.S. federal congress, rather than a program spanning 3 counties in Northern California. Thank you for your comments. Skyler 11:45, Aug 4, 2004 (UTC)
    • If you have another new article in mind, and most of the current JTPA article's information belongs in it, then use the "move" function, to preserve the edit history, and then edit it under the new article name. This provides a redirect link to the new name also. -- Netoholic 13:19, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • I don't think the "move" function would be appropriate here. I plan to redirect this article to a new article that actually concerns the topic. Redirecting it to the new article with the current content would not be correct because this topic should not be a redirection for an article about a small organization in Northern California when the topic is an Act of Congress. I plan to move the current context to a new article with the appropriate topic and change the entry: Job Training Partnership Act to a redirect to an article called Job Training Partnership Act of 1982 so that things are in their proper place. This was not as cut and dry as you seem to believe. If there is a function I am unaware of to do what is stated above, let me know. Skyler 14:27, Aug 4, 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete, per Geogre's comments. Ambi 10:19, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. Skyler's revision plan seems reasonable and doesn't involve deleting this article. Wile E. Heresiarch 14:02, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • As soon as I have completed changes, I will remove this from VFD, but until then, I would like to leave discussion open until then. Skyler 14:27, Aug 4, 2004 (UTC)
I assume Sky knows it by now, but lest anyone else be confused: to "remove this from VFD" as suggested above would have been a serious misbehavior, even tho it was he who nominated the article. --Jerzy(t) 05:21, 2004 Aug 9 (UTC)
  • Side-note: I have been asked to leave this dicussion open, so I shall, but if anyone commenting on this VFD could take a look at the new article (Job Training Partnership Act of 1982) before I change the one under review to a redirect, I would appreciate it. Skyler 11:32, Aug 5, 2004 (UTC)

I moved the previous content to Northern California Indian Development Council and request that it be cleaned-up. The previous JTPA article now redirects to Job Training Partnership Act of 1982, which now references the NCIDC program (to provide in and out links to the new articles). This is how we fix badly named articles. -- Netoholic 13:24, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Thank you. That saved me some trouble. Editing the NCIDC page is on my to-do list. Any comments on the new page regarding the Act? Skyler 17:03, Aug 5, 2004 (UTC)

This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like other '/delete' pages is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion or on the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

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