User talk:Bcorr/Archive 200402

Archived talk from February 2004

• Moroccan Cuisine

Wouldn't it be easier to make the real edit in the first place? -- BCorr ¤ Брайен 02:32, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)

What I wrote was accurate. What I replaced was somewhere on the scale from culturally niave to racist. I was not insulting. I did not say "filthy, lecherous Westerners". You reverted. You could have done the edit you suggest I do. You have corrected me but you have not corrected Wikipedia. If you are concerned about Wikipedia then you should remove the pre-exisiting inaccurate insult. Otherwise please explain the motivation for your action.

I don't monitor others' Talk pages. Reply to mine, please.

Paul Beardsell 02:41, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)

My point is simple. If there's a problem, correct it. Adding facetious text in in attempt to get someone else to fix the problem you found is not generally productive. Thanks, BCorr ¤ Брайен 02:58, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)

To make my point more plain: Imagine if on the American Cuisine page there was the equally misleading comment Kentucky Fried Chicken is usually eaten at brothels. Paul Beardsell 03:00, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)

and that was replaced by KFC is sometimes fed to North African tourists at so-called restaurants.

Then I would change it without adding something about overfed Americans eating ersatz Southern cuisine at a multinational fast-food chain... -- BCorr ¤ Брайен 03:03, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)

In reply: You also had the opportunity but did not take it. The reversion was unnecessary policing. With the same effort you could have made the constructive change you want me to make. You have blindly crossed the street to correct a jay walker. Paul Beardsell 03:06, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Whatever -- BCorr ¤ Брайен 03:17, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)

To make your point about how I could act more constructively you reverted a Wikipedia article to an inaccurate version. That's "whatever". Paul Beardsell 03:28, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)

For the record, my change was not of the above character, but was unemotive and factual. What BCorr is objecting to (I think) is the phrasing of the comment I made about my change. The actual edit is itself difficult to object to as it is both unemotionally phrased and accurate. It is not "facetious", as alleged. View the moroccan cuisine version log and diffs. Paul Beardsell 03:44, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)

I have copied the above text to the Moroccan Cuisine talk page. Paul Beardsell 03:54, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)

• Paul Vogel rants again

"A supremacist [snip] at all costs."

STOP MIS-REDIRECTING THIS NPOV ARTICLE TO A MARXIST-PC POV. THANKS! User:24.45.99.191

We will continue to revert your edits to remove your POV about what you claim are differences between white supremacists and white separatists. -- BCorr ¤ Брайен 18:11, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)

It is NOT my claim, it is the actual NPOV distinction between them, and whether your own POV actually thinks there is one or NOT!

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"A supremacist [snip] to avoid at all costs."

(text added by Paul Vogel, abridged by BCorr)

• The user I blocked

Well, I just thought about it and I was wrong to use an extended block for a single incident of vandalism. I'll keep an eye out though. Pakaran. 21:07, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)

By the time you posted this, they'd already reinserted the samuel jepson stuff. But I think you did the right thing. I think I'll go block them for a day unless someone beats me to it. BCorr ¤ Брайен 21:11, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)

• Paul Vogel reprise

Thanks! Glad to see a sysop hard at work! Perl 02:05, 26 Feb 2004 (UTC)

We aim to please! I'll just redelete it and remove it from Vfd. -- BCorr ¤ Брайен 02:07, 26 Feb 2004 (UTC)

"Hard at work" only preventing any truely NPOV articles from actually ever seeing the light of day! What a cabal of Marxist-pc POV bigots and censors!

Maybe I'm just a Wikisupremacist...or is that Wikiseparatist? -- BCorr ¤ Брайен 02:42, 26 Feb 2004 (UTC)

No, neither, just a wiki F-head! That's only being objective and accurate and with a typically here, "Wiki NPOV!" LOL! :D (added by Paul Vogel)

That there are two words might suggest there is a difference in the meaning between them. What does the DICTIONARY say. Ah! [That I can see a difference does not make me a supporter of either concept.] Paul Beardsell 02:49, 26 Feb 2004 (UTC)

[and it is that I comment on this page that makes me point that out.] Paul Beardsell 03:17, 26 Feb 2004 (UTC)

He can format it but he can't reply to it. Paul Beardsell 04:02, 26 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Here is my reply, oh snippy and demanding one: White separatist-- BCorr ¤ Брайен 04:26, 26 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Well, I'm happier now. Nice article. (pat). Snippy is a bit rich from you. (slap). Paul Beardsell 04:37, 26 Feb 2004 (UTC)

It seems to me that much of the heat in this discussion could have been defused by an admission early on that a difference between separatism and supremacism is acknowledged but that a NPOV form of words was being sought. Now that difference is acknowledged. That is really all the non-supremacist separatists (whether you believe their position is tenable or not) wanted. It seems to me that some of the unseemly language, however regrettable, was provoked. Paul Beardsell 04:49, 26 Feb 2004 (UTC)

• Deleting new pages in other languages

Hi, I have been recently made admin and am just trying out the deletion of new pages by vandals. I just want to clarify a doubt seeing that you are one of the admins online now. Is it good form to delete something written in, apparently, another language? Thanks KRS 16:20, 26 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Hi KRS -- I think that's OK, but I'm relatively new -- I just moved it to the German Wikipedia to be nice, but I'm not sure what it said as I speak very little German. In fact, I just made a user page over there in case it comes up again (if you haven't heard there was a story about Wikipedia on a major German TV network yesterday, so there's a LOT of new traffic -- both on the German and on the English Wikipedia) and I discoved that part of the title of the article is the German for "Edit this page." Oh well -- I imagine someone there will fix or delete it.

Anyway, you might want to post a message at Wikipedia:Village pump. It would be a good time to revisit the policy -- assuming we have one.

Cheers, BCorr ¤ Брайен 16:33, 26 Feb 2004 (UTC)

• Transliteration/transcription

Hello Cantus -- I've been ignoring your edits to hockey and tennis players, but we do have standards, and altering the Soviet Union article is a bit too much. Thanks, BCorr ¤ Брайен 19:20, 26 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Hello, what exactly was a bit too much? I'm confused by your message. You claim to be 'ignoring' some of my changes. I do not know what this means (reverting?). And what standards are you talking about? Thanks.

When I said "standards", a more precise term sould have been "conventions." Because we are creating an encyclopedia, it is important that there is internal consistency -- especially for thiks like country articles. See WikiProject_Countries for more info, and Russia, Dagestan, etc. for examples of the current conventions. If you think that they are wrong, please discuss that at Talk:WikiProject_Countries and the community will weigh in and will come to a collective decision. -- BCorr ¤ Брайен 19:48, 26 Feb 2004 (UTC)

• In vikipaedia veritas

Carpe diem! Aut vincere aut mori! Deus vult! Ceteris paribus. ;-) Ex animo, Evercat 23:59, 26 Feb 2004 (UTC)
List of Latin phrases is my friend... Evercat

• Corrections sur certaines pages

Bonjour, je vois que tu parles très bien le français, alors je m'adresse à toi dans ma langue. Hier, j'ai fait plusieurs corrections sur la fiche de l'Ecole polytechnique, et tu les as aussitôt remodifiées. Il s'agissait de french/French et du E avec un accent aigu. Autant je reconnais que j'ai sans doute fait une erreur au niveau des majuscules des adjectifs anglais (je croyais qu'on ne mettait une majuscule que lorsqu'une nationalité était utilisée comme un nom: an American, et pas lorsqu'elle était utilisée comme adjectif),

mais pour ce qui concerne le E avec un accent aigu, je ne suis pas du tout d'accord avec toi: la langue française interdit les accents sur les majuscules; en plus je trouve ce caractère laid. Je te laisse donc le soin de vérifier mes dires, et de faire les éventuelles corrections encore nécessaires. Dans tous les cas, merci pour tes contributions à Wikipedia...

Merci beaucoup de votre réponse. Je comprends votre point, et oui, je sais que cela en français l'accent aigu n'est pas employé sur les majuscules. Cependant, en anglais nous les employons, parce que nous ne sommes pas en tant que familier avec lequel les mots exigent des accents. Je ne suis pas sûr de l'utilisation conventionnelle sur le Wikipédia français, mais sur le Wikipédia anglais nous préférons toujours employer l'utilisation anglaise standard. Par exemple, nous employons Quebec -- pas Québec parce que c'est l'utilisation anglaise. De la même manière, nous continuons à employer des accents aigus sur les majuscules, en dépit de l'interdiction de l'Académie Française.

Voir aussi Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English), et aucun exemples -- Fencing#Épée et École Polytechnique de Montréal

Sincèrement, BCorr ¤ Брайен 14:12, 27 Feb 2004 (UTC)

• Corzine

thanks for the help with Jon Corzine... you were one step ahead of me with the pic and stuff. Its pretty much done as of now, however you can should look it over and change whatever

ZackDude 02:09, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Happy to help. Peace, BCorr ¤ Брайен 02:13, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)

• Images

Your placement code was fine, but it's more complicated than necessary now that the extended image syntax is in place. :) --Minesweeper 02:28, Feb 28, 2004 (UTC)

• Сою́з Сове́тских Социалисти́ческих Респу́блик

Meet me at the Wikipedia:Village pump#Transliterations from Russian. Mikkalai

I've posted a proposal there and created a place for discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(places)#Transliteration_of_Russian_place_names. See you there?

-- BCorr ¤ Брайен  03:11, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)

• Thanks all around

That jerk vandal was beginning to tire me out.:) -- Decumanus 03:31, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)

No problem -- thank you! -- BCorr ¤ Брайен 03:35, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)

An IP is blocked if there's any entry in the block table - I'll unblock and reblock now... Pakaran. 03:32, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the help -- I'm eager, but still pretty new...

• Lukashenko

Re Lukashenka and Lukashenko: I don't have a strong opinion about this one way or the other. Lukashenko is more common in English, but that is because it is the Russian form. Belarusians would obviously prefer we used the Belarusian spelling, and I don't see any problem with that. (We now say Belarus rather than Byelorussia, so it would seem logical to be consistent). I am in favour of retaining traditional English forms for historical figures (Phillip II rather than Felipe II, for example), but for current figures the tendency in the media is more and more to use an "authentic" spelling rather than an anclicised one. Provided there are redirects from one to the other I doubt it matters much. Adam 05:45, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Thanks Adam -- I appreciate the feedback. BCorr ¤ Брайен 05:51, Feb 28, 2004 (UTC)

I'd love to help - but I know nothing of Russian :(. Maybe ask on the pump? Pakaran. 06:57, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Actually User:Mikkalai already got this going down at the pump -- and if you haven't dropped by already, you may discover that you could be of help after all. Thanks again, BCorr ¤ Брайен 15:19, Feb 28, 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for your note - i support you 100% PMA 06:58, Feb 28, 2004 (UTC)

Thank you! BCorr ¤ Брайен 15:19, Feb 28, 2004 (UTC)

• In Canto non est veritas

Cantus has edited my contribution to the discussion and changed the words - now i am pissed off - can you do something to stop him? PMA 15:40, Feb 28, 2004 (UTC)

I see Bcorr has reverted your changes, PMA at Wikipedia_talk:Naming conventions (places). But Bcorr why did you remove what Cantus had written below PMA's contribution. It seemed pretty reasonable and surely just removing a reasonable comment may serve to anatagonize? Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 16:23, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)

PMA -- I left some more advice at User talk:Cantus. And Pete -- it was a mistake -- I keep forgetting that my sysop rollback function reverts to the last user, not the last edit. I'm going to go fix it now....Thanks for the heads up! -- BCorr ? Брайен 16:30, Feb 28, 2004 (UTC)

He didn't "correct" what i wrote he _changed_ it - look at the Mikhail Gorbachev article from before i edited it. he edited my comment in the discussion - changing his "original" written Gorbachev pronounciation (which i had copied to the discusion to show how he even got prtonounciations wrong even though he wants them in the articles) to something else. _That_ is what upsets me BC :( PMA 16:45, Feb 28, 2004 (UTC)

Ok -- I didn't realize the full extent of what he had done -- that's far more than a simple breach of Wikiquette. I'll give some though to the next step, as I doubt he's going to change his ways -- he may be well on his way to being banned. Thanks again, BCorr ? Брайен 19:53, Feb 28, 2004 (UTC)

• Tks for response

Thanks BCorr for your quick response on my talk page. Bender said he was quoting from a book, and that's what bothered me. However, my main worry is that he is using decimalised imperial measurement. It's either decimal and/or imperial in my experience. I can't see why anyone would need to write 2.75 feet for something that is 2ft 9 in long. Cheers Moriori 01:49, Feb 29, 2004 (UTC)