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This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was REDIRECTED. dbenbenn | talk 23:57, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Pope hat

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Unnecessary disambig page. Is anyone really going to search for this exact term? -- Francs2000 | Talk [[]] 01:29, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

  • The thing is, I think they will actually. I was thinking of suggesting it be redirected to mitre, but I hadn't thought of the crown thingy. Keep. --fvw* 03:14, 2005 Feb 2 (UTC)
    • Having read the discussion below I agree that this shouldn't be the location of the dab article. Move to some apropriate name for this dab and redirect pope hat there. --fvw* 23:25, 2005 Feb 4 (UTC)
  • Keep. I've heard the term used before. --Goobergunch|? 05:32, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, agree with Francs. Megan1967 05:36, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, many protestants have never heard the word "mitre," but know that the pope wears one. Gazpacho 06:11, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. Interesting. JuntungWu 06:48, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. Samaritan 06:56, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • I don't personally find it interesting. However, we have articles turned into redirects for (reasonable) spelling mistakes and for miscapitalizations, and the usual argument is "Well, someone obviously actually made this mistake.". It seems likely that someone might think that there would be an article under Pope's hat. However, I'm less convinced that someone would expect an article to be entitled Pope hat. History doesn't show this as being a duplicate article that someone turned into a disambiguation page. This started off as a disambiguation page, and so the "somebody actually made this mistake" argument isn't supported. Move to Pope's hat then Redirect to Pope. No Merge is necessary, as the disambiguation is already there, in the first paragraph of the Regalia and insignia section. Uncle G 13:11, 2005 Feb 2 (UTC)
    • You might be surprised at this Google search which includes results for both "Pope hat" and "Pope's hat", where "Pope hat" actually seems slightly more commonly used. — Ливай | ☺ 17:56, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. Perfectly good disambig. sjorford:// 16:09, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • Redirect to Pope, for reasons stated above. There probably should be a similar redirect for Pope's hat. --TenOfAllTrades 17:17, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. I think it could use a rewording, though. —Mar·ka·ci 18:17, 2005 Feb 2 (UTC)
  • Delete or rename, rename to like Headresses of the Pope or something like that. --User:Boothy443 | comhrÚ 18:22, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, like Gazpacho said. Beta_M talk, |contrib (Ë-Mail)
  • Delete. This is just silly. Gamaliel 19:55, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, useful and non-trivial. A bit too small, though. Pope's garments of papal garments would be a better collection. Mikkalai 21:15, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)
    • What would it say that isn't already in the Regalia and insignia section of pope? Uncle G 13:14, 2005 Feb 4 (UTC)
      • When you edit Pope, you get "Please consider condensing the page" message. Why don't we cut the Papal regalia and insignia and redirect this hapless hat there? Mikkalai 22:17, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
        • Works for me. Gazpacho 22:19, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
        • Fine by me. My vote was Redirect already. I'm not bothered by whether it redirects to Pope or to an article broken out of it. Uncle G 18:19, 2005 Feb 5 (UTC)
  • Odd little disambig page, ain't it? I can honestly imagine someone typing "pope hat" into the search window if they were unsure of the proper terms. Weak keep. - Lucky 6.9 22:53, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)
    • Typing that into the search form and pressing the "Search" button yields pope as the third article title match. Wikipedia's cough idiosyncratic search form design, where the default action is "Go", might cause some confusion. But should we have an article title for every possible search term, such as "pope hat" for example, just because Wikipedia's user interface is badly designed? Uncle G 13:14, 2005 Feb 4 (UTC)
  • Keep Why would anyone think this could harm Wikipedia? Philip 02:33, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. Responding to Gazpacho - are you really even sure that that many Roman Catholics know what a mitre is? - RedWordSmith 05:47, Feb 3, 2005 (UTC)
  • Strong keep--this article is extremely useful. I'd have no idea what to search for, if this didn't exist. Meelar (talk) 06:12, Feb 3, 2005 (UTC)
    • Come now! You'd have a vague inkling that pope might have something to say on the subject, surely? Uncle G 13:14, 2005 Feb 4 (UTC)
      • True, but I'd just as soon not have to skim through the bulk of Pope. Best, Meelar (talk) 19:26, Feb 4, 2005 (UTC)
  • Extreme keep. For the love of God. I mean, really now. Come on. —RaD Man (talk) 22:25, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)


Case closed. I made it into a redirect to Papal regalia and insignia, which actually makes much more sense about papal hats than the two separate articles (Mitre is actually an episcopal hat). Mikkalai 00:41, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)

  • Agree with redirect. — Ливай | ☺ 17:56, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep What the hell. I was raised as an Presbyterian, and even I know about papal regalia. Jeez. Edeans 04:10, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • Agree with redirect. —Korath (Talk) 07:28, Feb 6, 2005 (UTC)
  • Good move. That's also a perfect way to have addressed Uncle G's concerns. - Lucky 6.9 17:01, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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