Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tore Uppström
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This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was keep. Joyous 06:20, Feb 27, 2005 (UTC)
"His contributions as a composer are limitied to a handful piano pieces" - not exactly notable. Radiant! 15:34, Feb 14, 2005 (UTC)
- Keep assuming the basic info in the article is correct, he's notable. Toured internationally as a musician and wrote a published book. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 17:21, Feb 14, 2005 (UTC)
- Keep, aside from which this topic's more encyclopedic than most of the porn stars listed on WP. Wyss 20:01, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Keep. We don't know how widely-read the book is, or how well-attended the tours were, or how frequently performed his compositions are... but he seems well-known enough. Isomorphic 20:11, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Delete, not notable - less than 25 Google hits. Megan1967 03:18, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Keep, looks like a man for Wikipedia. bbx 04:12, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Comment (abstaining for now): I have made some additions to the article from Swedish sources, but his notability, as far as I can judge, seems very borderline. There is any number of Swedish composers, both contemporary and older, who would better deserve articles: Dag Wirén (who is now linked from Uppström's article), Wilhelm Peterson-Berger, Ture Rangström, Lars-Erik Larsson, Johan Wikmanson, Johann Christian Friedrich Hæffner, Jacob Axel Josephson, Adolf Fredrik Lindblad, Sven-David Sandström, Moses Pergament, Sten Broman, Johan Gottlieb Naumann, Emil Sjögren, Hilding Rosenberg, John Fernström, August Söderman, Ingvar Lidholm, Gösta Nystroem, Sven-Erik Bäck and probably others that I can't recall at the moment (I just added several of these to the List of Swedes in music), not to mention many important performers (such as the conductor Sixten Ehrling who just died[1]). The fact that the coverage of Swedish music in the English Wikipedia is bad is in itself not an argument against Uppström, but unless I have missed something significant (which is possible), he is very far from being in the same league as the other ones listed here. Does the sum of his accomplishments as composer, performer and writer still bring him above the bar? Where is the line drawn? / up+land 12:40, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Ok, but "Why does X have an article but Y doesn't?" has never been a very valid argument. There are many thousands, even millions, of valid article subjects that don't have articles yet. It doesn't mean anyone else is necessarily any less accomplished or notworthy than ol' Uppström here, it just means someone got to him first. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 23:17, Feb 15, 2005 (UTC)
- I already anticipated that, didn't I? I don't really care if Uppström is retained, but unless somebody can say something about his importance I still wonder why he should be in. If somebody would point out that "he hasn't composed many pieces but his Second Trio for Pyrophone, Banjo and Viola has been of monumental significance for the introduction of the pyrophone into modern chamber music" or something like that, I would understand why the article is here. Or is every published composer notable enough to be included? What are the criteria? / up+land 07:56, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Based on the guidelines at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Music/Notability_and_Music_Guidelines this musician fits criteria #2 (international concert tour). And that's not even counting his composing, or the book he wrote. That's not to say that there aren't a lot of other worthy candidates for articles, but based on our guidelines, this guy is definitely in. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 13:33, Feb 17, 2005 (UTC)
- I already anticipated that, didn't I? I don't really care if Uppström is retained, but unless somebody can say something about his importance I still wonder why he should be in. If somebody would point out that "he hasn't composed many pieces but his Second Trio for Pyrophone, Banjo and Viola has been of monumental significance for the introduction of the pyrophone into modern chamber music" or something like that, I would understand why the article is here. Or is every published composer notable enough to be included? What are the criteria? / up+land 07:56, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Ok, but "Why does X have an article but Y doesn't?" has never been a very valid argument. There are many thousands, even millions, of valid article subjects that don't have articles yet. It doesn't mean anyone else is necessarily any less accomplished or notworthy than ol' Uppström here, it just means someone got to him first. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 23:17, Feb 15, 2005 (UTC)
- Comment (not intending to vote): I transferred this from Wiktionary, where it does not belong, to Wikipedia. I have been asked on my user talk page who the original poster was, but I have been unable to find this out. The Wiktionary page has been deleted and there is no "View deleted edits?" link. Is it possible that this page had a different title when I copied it to Wiktionary? — Paul G 12:48, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Delete, not significant. JamesBurns 10:04, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Keep, notable enough for me, and more so for those in Sweden. -- Riffsyphon1024 10:09, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)
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