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This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was - deleted - SimonP 05:25, Mar 30, 2005 (UTC)

Ryan estrada

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Delete Vanity, participation in 24 hour webcomic event doesn't seem to make notability. --InShaneee 21:04, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)

  • Delete -- no evidence of being any more notable than any other webcomic artist. -- Antaeus Feldspar 21:48, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep -- Ryan Estrada was the first (and to my knowledge only one) to do a 48 and 72 hour comic. He started the idea of extending the time of the 24 hour comic but still making it a good read. I wrote the article and do not personally know the guy. I understand I'm allowed to vote(?) In any case, I consider the fact that he expanded upon the 24-hour comics idea to be the reason for notablity. With a 168 hour comic looming in the distance, I honestly don't understand how you can say this isn't notable. -- 217.43.239.251 01:55, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. Webcomic artist. anthony 警告 02:03, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. 498 Google hits for "ryan estrada", and of course not all of which can be assumed to point to this particular Ryan Estrada. I don't see how extending the time period of someone else's idea makes someone particularly notable. In any case, if this article is kept, it needs to be edited for POV -- it sounds like Ryan himself or someone very close to him wrote the article. Android79 02:55, Mar 16, 2005 (UTC)
      • I am just a fan, through his website (don't know him personally, no). [edit: Anyway, I tried to edit it a bit further. Any better?] I maybe agree that extending the idea of the 24 hour comic to 48 hours or even 72 hours may not have been enough in itself to merit a place in an online encyclopedia. However, extending it to such crazy degrees - 168 pages to be drawn in 168 consecutive hours - does seem worthy of note to anyone interested in comics. The reason I am aware of his adventures is simply because of his website. Who knows what even crazier limits will be reached? He is the person that started this extension and this extension of the 24-hour comic has the potential to develop into something altogether different.217.43.239.201 21:06, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC) 217.43.239.201 (talk • contribs)'s only edits are to the article and this VfD.
  • Delete, just under the bar of notability, possible vanity. Megan1967 05:31, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)
      • If by 'vanity' you mean it may have been himself writing, then no. I made the original essay and (I think) all edits so far. I honestly believe that once he has done his 168-hour comic, he will be of interest to some, specially as it looks likely to be extended a fair bit further yet.217.43.239.201 00:29, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
        • So, after he does this 168-hour-comic thing, he may be of interest to some people. In other words, he's not yet a notable webcomic artist. Maybe an article would be in order if he gets a lot of publicity or critical acclaim from the right places, but right now, it's not there. Android79 00:48, Mar 18, 2005 (UTC)
  • Concur with Megan, delete. Radiant_* 13:43, Mar 16, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete as not sufficiently notable (yet). Persuaded by Android79's research. Jonathunder 05:17, 2005 Mar 18 (UTC)
  • Keep There's plenty of individuals on Wikipedia that are not exactly world famous; remember Estrada was first mentioned here in an article on the rant website "the Acts of Gord", itself not exactly front page</a> of the Times material. Ryan Estrada is a popular internet cartoonist, and recognized within the boundaries of that community.
Not to hop on a soapbox, but we may want to rethink what we mean by "notable" in this, the age of the internet. When every oddity and guy on the street can present his thoughts, information, and craft to literally every human being with an uncensored internet connection, then even an outwardly oddball or fringe website may well have a considerable influence, and just as importantly for our purposes, a considerable audience. Wikipedia entries on similar subjects, other webcomics for example, are "famous" or "notable" only within thier respective communities, and have received little to no mainstream attention, yet their presence here goes unchallenged. I find it hard to understand why this case is different.

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