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Again, welcome! - UtherSRG 22:08, 19 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Vandalism

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Hi, I deleted your user page because it appears some anonymous user vandalized it. Thanks. Fuzheado 06:38, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Channel 4 News

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You see the Channel 4 News page, but look at the Channel 4 page. Go to the Channel 4 page and click on "Discuss this page" and you will see an important note if you scroll down to the bottom.

Thanks!

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Thanks for fixing my mistake! ;) Adam Conover 19:47, Apr 9, 2004 (UTC)

The Castle of Otranto

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Thanks for removing the Vote for Speedy deletion from The Castle of Otranto. Hopefully, it will grow into an article. I read it, but that was 20 years ago so I don't remember much. Danny 22:38, 10 Apr 2004 (UTC)

You know, I only marked it for speedy deletion because the original was just vandalism. I doubt anyone would have thought it suspicious if you'd removed the tag yourself. There's no voting on speedy deletions. - Lee (talk) 22:46, 10 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Generation Terrorists

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hi scud lee, thanks for fixing the table box on Generation Terrorists, does this mean you can't have more than three albums in the discography??Scraggy4 02:45, 12 Apr 2004 (UTC)

No, the chronology section is meant to be for navigation - previous/next. The actual problem with the table was the all music guide link, there was a stray newline which forced the entire URL to be displayed. (Oh, and call me Lee) - Lee (talk) 02:50, 12 Apr 2004 (UTC)

thanx lee,

it was my first attempt at the album template and you haven't put me trying another now maybe..Scraggy4 02:53, 12 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Well, good luck. My advice would be to try and dig around and fill in as many blanks in the top of the table and not worry too much about the reviews. The facts are more important than the opinions. Also, check out this link for a list of pages with albumboxes - for inspiration. - Lee (talk) 03:05, 12 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Nomination

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Hi there, Lee! I've nominated you for adminship! Good luck. (You will want to accept the nomination at the link.) --MerovingianTalk 17:18, Apr 15, 2004 (UTC)

Reply originally made on Merovingianss talk page:[1]

Wow, thanks for the nomination. I'm not entirely convinced that I want or need adminship just yet though. I'm pretty happy beavering away as I am, and to be honest I haven't made that many substantial contributions. Naturally of course, I'll let it play out a bit first before I properly make my mind up, to see what other people think. Thanks again. - Lee (talk) 17:42, 15 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Album info required

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Hi Lee, I wondered if you could take a look at the table of album info. required on my user page and let me know what you think. I have posted a comment on the wikiprojectsalbum page but no-one has commented as yet. Although far from perfect I feel it does the job in letting people know what info is still required for any particular album. Even if people don't agree that it is good enough to replace the needs cover page I will try to keep it upto date. So feel free to add / remove info. After I have added the albums I will endeavour to find all of the relevant info even though this appears to be a big job I feel that the trouble some are going to to create the album boxes is spoiled by missing info. I am also still slightly confused with regard to Album / LP / Cd / Vinyl etc. A number of articles have the wording Album and a number specify the actual format ie; CD, Cassette etc. did a decision come about regarding the preferred format?? Scraggy4 19:55, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Reply originally made on Scraggy4s talk page:[2]

Yeah I've been meaning to comment, I've been a little in two minds about it, but I'm coming around to thinking it's a good idea. There's already a Needs infobox page (which has been completely forgotten about), so you wouldn't have to list pages without boxes in the table, so it shouldn't be too much work. I've been contemplating whether or not an "open tasks" style box would be worth it, to try and encourage people to bring existing pages up to spec, rather than ploughing on making new stubbish pages with albumboxes (which I'm guilty of myself).
As for formats, personally I'd prefer that particular section to basically mirror the color of the box i.e. Album, EP, Single, but perhaps we should add a separate "formats" section just below it. That would mean correcting a lot of albumboxes, though. hmmm, two minds again. I'll add something to the talk page in a minute. - Lee (talk) 20:33, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Page move

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Thanx Lee, I couldn't seem to get it to move to the project pages. Don't know if I had to include brackets or not but I tries both ways and it still wouldn't work. Should the re-direct pages be deleted now??Scraggy4 02:06, 2 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

new lists

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Hi Lee, as you may have noticed I only got up to the letter I before you you started separating the list so I an now working backwards from letter Z so that we don't overlap.Scraggy4 18:43, 2 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Reply originally made on Scraggy4s talk page:[3]

I've switched to working directly from list of albums now, so it may be better if you just restrict yourself to adding pages with albumboxes from now on. When I get to where you've got up to, I'll switch back and finish off. - Lee (talk) 19:01, 2 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Accusations of obfuscation

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Ha, ... Hah, Hah! ScudLee, I have solved your private joke. As you very well know, a bunch of ASBs, or whatever, were listed under Wikipedia:MediaWiki custom messages#Project namespace. You are the editor who moved them! So, at the time that I added my project namespace that usage was in common practice and hence accounts for above original use of the term namespace. I will now study the new location, to see if makes any more sense. This is what I mean by obfuscation with the aid of science / academia. -- John Gohde 20:46, 9 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Reply originally made on Wikipedia talk:Article series boxes policy (proposed):[4]

Yeah... I admit I have known about your mistaken use of "Project namespace" for a while, from after I removed several incorrectly placed elements from Wikipedia:MediaWiki custom messages (not just the project namespace section - which is for msgs used in the project namespace). Sorry I didn't inform you sooner. - Lee (talk) 21:38, 9 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]


Casting me as a troll

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Originally made on John Gohdes talk page:[5]

Well, I've been called many things in my time: handsome, suave, witty, for example, are just a few of the ones I'm still waiting on. Troll, however, was not one I was expecting. This saddens me. I would like to try and clarify. - Lee (talk) 12:04, 10 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Your accusation seems to be based on this sentence - "Where exactly have you seen the phrase used in the context you are using it?" which I admit was a slightly sly reference to Wikipedia:MediaWiki custom messages. However, my edit of that page wasn't to try and obfuscate or alter the original meaning of the Project namespace section away from the manner you chose to use it, but to reaffirm it's actual original meaning which had become occluded by the inclusion of a couple of inappropriately placed elements (two elements - yours and one other). If you do not believe me, please observe this edit [6] made only last month, in which User:Bensaccount changed the header from "Wikipedia namespace" to "Project namespace". The phrase "Project namespace" has never been used in the context in which you were using it, at least not on that page. If you mistakenly thought it was being used in that context on that page, then fair enough, but please don't accuse me of attempting to alter it's meaning. - Lee (talk) 12:04, 10 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

The other "troll-like" behaviour you ascribed to me was from my use of this phrase "Give me a weekend and a shovel, and I'll happily bury them all." which I made in response to "...but it would probably require a strikt policy to get rid of those already existing." [sic]. I was merely indicating my willingness to swiftly and ruthlessly enforce policy, were it to become policy. Your promise to engage in a revert war over this was inappropriate. - Lee (talk) 12:04, 10 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

I know that you've worked hard on trying to NPOV the articles on CAM, and are trying to draw all the related articles together under your wikiproject, and that this has created some opposition towards you from people who have a bias against all things CAM. I am not one of these people. Our zones of interest are so far apart that it is quite likely we'll never edit the same article (although if you ever create an album page, make sure those song titles are in quotes!). It seems to me we both got a little caught up on what, I agree with you, is currently rather a minor non-issue. - Lee (talk) 12:04, 10 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

ONYX & lists

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Hi Lee,

I had realised my mistake on ONYX and was just going back to do that after I had added the msg:stub & msg:album to the pages, but you being Mr.On The Ball you beat me to it. I reckon another month and we have have our "needs and incompletes" down to a manageable size. I hope to have a little bit of free time this week to try and clear some. I realized today that with the incomplete page as it is now, it is easy to email to friends to see if they have any of the missing info in their album collection. I will start this tomorrow and if a couple reply it will hopefully speed things up. The Recorded box is rather hard to find the info for unless you actually own the album. I feel that maybe after a month of clearing up, we could possibly delete those with incomplete Recorded boxes from the incomplete list as this would then reduce the list to a manageable size????? I see you added quite a few albums to the album list today. Scraggy4 22:42, 10 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you...

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Thank you for not letting the junk stay on. You put it into its proper format. 66.245.117.53 23:48, 15 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

thanks for the totally disputed notice, scud. And welcome to Wikipedia! --Uncle Ed 18:17, 27 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Reply originally made on Ed Poors talk page:[7]

Hi, I know you meant well, but I prefer to keep my user page blank (for the time being at least). Since you're an admin, could you do me the honor of deleting it, thanks. - Lee (talk) 18:35, 27 May 2004 (UTC) (plus I've been here since January, so the welcome is a tad late ;)[reply]

Reply originally made on Ed Poors talk page:[8]

Thank you. However, did you have to take such a patronising tone? (deleted "User:ScudLee": because user told me he wants "his page" kept blank). It was just a polite request. I prefer to have my username red, that's all. Comments, praise, sacrificial offerings, etc. should go on my talk page. - Lee (talk) 19:04, 27 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

My User page

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Originally made on Duncharris' talk page:[9]

Don't do that. - Lee (talk) 23:43, 31 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for adding a dot to your user page. It's just a pain you can change your nickname in your preferences so that your name links back to the talk page if you like. Dunc Harris | Talk 23:45, 31 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

I like it fine the way it is, thanks. - Lee (talk) 23:53, 31 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]


IP Addresses

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How do you determine what IP address a user is logged in with? You cite this on Wikipedia:Help Desk, in helping user TomS to find his original screen name. What tool do you use for this? Is this function only available to Admins? - DropDeadGorgias (talk) 17:36, Jul 21, 2004 (UTC)

Reply originally made on DropDeadGorgias' talk page:[10]

Just a bit of good luck, really. I just used the page history to see the IP address he made the edit to Wikipedia:Help Desk with, and then looked at the contributions from that IP. Fortunately, he hadn't learnt to sign (~~~~) and so had been doing it manually. He probably didn't realise he was logged out when he made the comment on Talk:Karantania. - 17:47, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC) Lee (talk)
Certainly a good question(s) - for me too.
TomS : 193.77.122.102 12:16, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Reply originally made on 193.77.122.102s talk page:[11]

Unfortunately, there isn't an easy to check the IP address of a logged in user. The only people who can do that are certain developers, of which there are precious few, and are usually too busy anyway. I just got lucky because you signed a comment whilst logged-out.
On the subject of developers, though, it is possible (apparently) for a developer to insert an e-mail address into a user's preferences, so if you didn't set an e-mail address, you could try asking on m:Non-development tasks for developers, and then, if it works, you can get a new password sent to you. Might be worth a shot. - 13:17, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC) Lee (talk)

Reply originally made by 193.77.122.102 (TomS) on his talk page:[12]

Actually I set my e-mail address! So how exactly I can fix my problem?
193.77.122.102 14:00, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Reply originally made on 193.77.122.102s talk page:[13]

There's a button at the bottom of the login page ("Mail me a new password"). Just type in your username and push it. Never tried it myself, but that should do it. - 14:37, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC) Lee (talk)

Reply originally made by 193.77.122.102 (TomS) on his talk page:[14]

Thank you Lee, thanks to all of you! I've fixed the problem!

TomS 15:28, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Sorry for the aggravation

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Hi, yesterday I was editing the page for the King Crimson album Starless and Bible Black. At the time I was under the misconception the all creative titles should be in italics and every time I saw the song titles appear in quotation marks I deleted them and replaced them with double apostrophes. I honestly believed it was a software glitch and didn’t bother to check the history to see if I was being corrected.

Anyway, sorry for the extra aggravation and thanks for the insight.-Justin Foote (talk) 18:21, 21 Jul, 2004 (UTC).

Reply originally made on Justin Footes talk page:[15]

Heh, I wouldn't worry too much about it, I was probably being a little too quick off the draw anyway. Have you checked out Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums? It might be worth a perusal if you haven't. (That's the first time I've ever been mistaken for a software glitch!) - 18:41, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC) Lee (talk)

Years 40-1788

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If you want and if there is a consensus to do so, I can use D6 to add a year category to those years. Linking the year category to the decade category would still need to be done manually though. BTW years 1900-2004 look good. -- User:Docu

Reply originally made on Docus talk page:[16]

Probably be a good idea to use the bot. I can feel the RSI setting in ;) - 16:59, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC) Lee (talk)

Following your note on my talk page, see Category talk:Years. -- User:Docu

Thanks

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Thanks for the quick reply on the pum re: converting tables. Have a nice day! Kokiri 15:59, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)

imdb template

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Thanks for editing the imdb templates on the Halloweentown page. I didn't know about that template. Now when I get a chance, I'll go and add them to the article from which I copied and pasted the imdb references I originally used. Glenn6502 01:37, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Adminship?

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I was about to nominate you for Adminship, but I see you have been nominated in the past. You're not listed at Wikipedia:List of administrators, but I can't find a record of the nomination failing, nor can I imagine why it would. Are you an admin? If so, please add your name to the list. If not, why not and should I bother re-nominating you? Tuf-Kat 20:56, Oct 17, 2004 (UTC)

ScudLee declined the nomination back in April. See [17]. Incidentially, I think ScudLee would make a fine administrator. Acegikmo1 02:12, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Reply originally made on Tuf-Kats talk page:[18]

As Acegikmo1 pointed out, I turned down my nomination for adminship. There were several well-founded objections, I was too new, I hadn't contributed much in the way of actual content, and I didn't have a User page. Two of those facts remain true, so I'm not sure how successful a renomination will be. Having said that though, I would not decline a second time. - 14:23, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC) Lee (talk)

Userpage?

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Let me know if you want me to delete your userpage. Of course, you'll be able to delete yourself soon, hopefully. I moved the message Glenn6502 put there to just above this one. Tuf-Kat 03:22, Oct 21, 2004 (UTC)

Reply originally made on Tuf-Kats talk page:[19]

If you could, that would be great. I had listed it at WP:SD, but I don't think many people pay attention to there any more. - 11:30, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC) Lee (talk)

Figured I'd delete your user page, since you've been so vocal about wanting it to stay a red link on RfA. Let me know if you want the comment restored anyway ("well i need the address because i really need to contact them :) btw where do u live?" by 62.215.17.228). I was thinking what an irony it is that if you were an admin you could delete it yourself, but people object to you being an admin because you don't want a user page. Everyking 22:05, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Reply originally made on Everykings talk page:[20]

Thanks for that. I had listed it at Wikipedia:Speedy deletions (as I always do), but people seem to pay little attention there. I think it was just after I specifically said I wouldn't create a user page during my nomination that I realised I could've just put some old nonsense up, got the adminship and deleted it straight after. Oh well, I guess that would have been a bit dishonest, so I wouldn't have done it anyway, but the irony was not lost on me. Thanks again. - 22:29, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC) Lee (talk)

Kate Bush A dilemma

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I have made a start on her albums, uploaded album covers, putting in track listings etc. I have now got a dilemma.

She released a series of compilation albums with the same name: This Woman's Work Vol.s I & II and then released those 2 vols. as a This Woman's Work boxed set (96 tracks!). What should I do on the album page? Should I show the box set cover in the album box, with the complete list of tracks to the left, or should I have 2 wiki album boxes (vol. I & Vol. II - with appropriate track lists for each vol.) possible separated into two lvl 2 headings, followed by the third lvl 2 heading for the boxed set? If the latter, I assume that I won't need to add a track list unless it's different (I haven't checked yet). I lean towards the latter option but am ready to comply with 'procedure'. :=} -- Martin TB 14:01, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Reply originally made on Martin TBs talk page:[21]

I don't think there's any hard and fast rules. It might be simplest to have the one albumbox and a lvl 2 "Track listing" with two lvl 3 "Volume I" & "Volume 2", especially if the details are going to be nearly identical. Just remember to put the release dates for the original releases, and not the boxset, in the table. But really, just do it the way you think will look best, if it doesn't you can always change it after. You could, of course, just do two separate articles, one for each volume, and then just mention that each was also in a boxset with the other, if you wanted. (Oh, and song titles should go in "quotes" not italics ;) - 16:28, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC) Lee (talk)
OK I'll work on it later. Re: double-quotes (italics) vs quote marks " I am now very confused. I have been working on the double-quotes section of wiki syntax All book and film titles have to be in italics. As does the album name in the wiki album box. Surely continuity would suggest that song titles should also be in italics too? --Martin TB 17:04, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Reply originally made on Martin TBs talk page:[22]

Well, I can't offer much in the way of justification for the decision regarding song titles, I can only point to Wikipedia:WikiProject Music#Albums, bands, and songs#4 as the place where it's located (it's also mentioned at Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums#Style). - 17:28, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC) Lee (talk)
NP, I'll wikify the entries I have done so far to comply with Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums#Style. Many thanks --Martin TB 18:36, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • OK I have cracked on with her album list over the past two days, essentially just putting in the facts. To be honest, I don't think I'm the right person to comment on the tracks - it will be hard to be NPOV about them :). Could you take a look through them, and make sure I've done them properly? They start with The Kick Inside. Your input would be appreciated. I'll tackle some other artists later.

Many Thanks -- Martin TB 10:59, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Reply originally made on Martin TBs talk page:[23]

I've done a little tweaking, but otherwise the articles look good. Keep it up! :) - 14:44, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC) Lee (talk)

I posted questions about the albumbox template on the talk page. Thought you might be interested. -- Rick Block 15:05, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Template modification problem

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Hi! You've been working on a lot of template footers, changing 'id=toc' to 'class="toccolours"'. I personally preferred the old light-blue background color, but that may be just because I was used to it. However, the change also expands the box vertically for some reason (on my browser at least), by putting lots more whitespace between lines of the table. Compare the old version of one page [24] with the new [25]. Is there some way to fix this? —wwoods 09:38, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Reply originally made on Wwoods talk page:[26]

Okay, this took me a little longer to work out than I would have liked. If you know CSS the explanation is fairly simple, it's because the styling for <p> is defined as
p {
    margin: 0.4em 0em 0.5em 0em;
    line-height: 1.5em;
}
however, inside objects marked as id=toc, the margins are overruled by
#toc p { margin: 0 }
switching to class=toccolours (where the margins are undefined) the margins will fall back to their original wider settings.
The correct solution to this would be to add
.toccolours p { margin: 0 }
to the monobook css and the common css. This would need a developer to do it.
The common css also explains the switch from blue to grey (I assume you're not using monobook) because the styling for .toccolours matches the monobook #toc rather than the common #toc (presumably it was just copy-pasted from the monobook css). That should probably be fixed also. - 14:50, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC) Lee (talk)

Article Licensing

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Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 1000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

Option 1
I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:
{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

OR

Option 2
I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions to any [[U.S. state]], county, or city article as described below:
{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man (comment| talk) 19:34, Dec 8, 2004 (UTC)

The Humungous Image Tagging Project

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Hi. You've helped with the Wikipedia:WikiProject Wiki Syntax, so I thought it worth alerting you to the latest and greatest of Wikipedia fixing project, User:Yann/Untagged Images, which is seeking to put copyright tags on all of the untagged images. There are probably, oh, thirty thousand or so to do (he said, reaching into the air for a large figure). But hey: they're images ... you'll get to see lots of random pretty pictures. That must be better than looking for at at and the the, non? You know you'll love it. best wishes --Tagishsimon (talk)

TfD nomination of Template:Table suffixes

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Template:Table suffixes has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at Wikipedia:Templates for deletion#Table suffixes. Thank you. — Xiongtalk* 10:40, 2005 May 25 (UTC)

lots of edits, not an admin

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Hi - I made a list of users who've been around long enough to have made lots of edits but aren't admins. It looks like you're not active anymore, but if you come back and are at all interested in becoming an admin, can you please add an '*' immediately before your name in this list? I've suggested folks nominating someone might want to puruse this list, although there is certainly no guarantee anyone will ever look at it. I've marked you on this list as "inactve". Feel free to update this as well. Thanks. -- Rick Block (talk) July 3, 2005 18:32 (UTC)