Talk:Ancient Uppsala
2003-06-20, Göteborg
Alternatives to placing Ubsola in Uppland
[edit]Perhaps it is possible to find sites not yet discovered, in Västergötland or in Uppland - or in other places, that may disclose such evidence that a true recollection of origins, and reality, of ancient Sweden and northern mythologi can be established. Who knows?
A possible explanation...?
[edit]An interesting theoretical combination of the Svealand and Götaland theories would be that the origins of Sweorice, home of the suiones as well as the Danes was set in the 'truly' ancient human settlements in the Väner-lake area, whereas the Svea people over the centuries expanded to the north (remember the saga of Anund, who made ways over mountains and forests, thus finding unsetteled lands where the Sveas could expand - and possible migrate with the suithones - diserna?), and the danes expanded - or where forced - southwards, in turn forcing the Heruliis (a German tribe, thought to be located at Själland around the first century A.D.) to emigrate southwards.
Hence, both the Svealand and the Götaland theories might prove to be right... There would be a proper explanation why no findings are made in Uppland around the time when findings are made in Västergötland - the centuries nearest A.D. - and why the findings seem to cease in Västergötland around 400 - 500 A.D.
Question: If you are founding a land area as the new basis for your people - what would you call the main town?
Perhaps something that reminds you of the old country - like... Sigtuna?
And as for the myths and their origin... well, some of them actually have written sources that to some extent verifies their existence, and interaction, with known historical German tribes north of the Roman empire. Some may have been originating in Scandinavia, some in Germany. Which, and whether there are any real truth in them - well that is open to speculation. Following this trace, Odin's son Balder (Beldeg) is listed in the Anglo-Saxon chronicles as the ancestor of Saxon and Anglian kings that invaded the British isles during 400 - 500 A.D. - accidentially matching the ancestory kings listed by Snorri in the Edda...
The importance of keeping an objective view
[edit]For myself, I can say this: I am most certain that to find any truth, you are bound to have to take into account all possible aspects of science, as stated in the article.
- In what way do you take all possible aspects of science into account?
- As for linguistics, you claim that "Fyris" has nothing to do with the river. Check this link Fyris Wolds.
- What do YOU mean by objective? I have never heard a real scholar use that word about his own approach.
- Objective is that providing information such as this?: The content of the kings' mounds have not shown any remains that indicates the burial of great kings. On the contrary, the content of the two outer mounds that have been investigated instead indicates the burial of very prominent women.
- In fact, the western mound contained a SWORD and gems from the Middle East and pawns of ivory. The eastern mound probably contained a woman.
- I am going to check every single piece of information in this article and I suspect that very little is going to remain when I am done.--Wiglaf 15:22, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)